Rejected by the Church and God?

[Mike316]

Hypothetically speaking sort of. Say one needs to get a marraige annulled for entry in the Church. The ex spouse will never comply with anything if it would in any way benefit the other ex. If the Church rejects the annulment you are in continual grave sin if you are remarried. So if the Catholic Church, the one true Church of God rejects you from full participation does God reject you also? In a continual state of sin you cannot participate in the Holy Eucharist therefore not able to participate in the a wonderful Sacrament of the faith. Your past sin while a heathen is truly never forgiven, or is the current marriage the sin, and if it is then to hell you go unless you divorce the women you love, oh but wait the original marraige is still valid. You are bound to the first marriage and if an annulment cannot be obtained, then what? I have joyfully jumped a number of walls of my faith coming to know God’s one church, but this one seems too high. I desperately want to be in the faith the Lord started. Peace and love to all.

 

[Faustina]

Mike-

Have you applied for an annullment? I can’t tell if you have or haven’t. If you have, and ex spouse is not willing ( which I got that she probably is not willing) you might want to check with you diocese chancellor or a canon lawyer.

Just suggests. Please don’t give up.

Sid

 

[Tom]

Hi Mike,

Mike316:

Hypothetically speaking sort of. Say one needs to get a marraige annulled for entry in the Church.

The annulment is not required to “enter” the Church.

Mike316:

The ex spouse will never comply with anything if it would in any way benefit the other ex.

fortunately, this would not hinder an annulment; it may actually make it easier.

Mike316:

If the Church rejects the annulment you are in continual grave sin if you are remarried. So if the Catholic Church, the one true Church of God rejects you from full participation does God reject you also?

The Church doesn’t reject you; it calls you to practice chastity. Chastity is the acceptance of Gods plan toward your sexuality. Read the CCC on Chastity for an understanding.

Mike316:

In a continual state of sin you cannot participate in the Holy Eucharist therefore not able to participate in the a wonderful Sacrament of the faith.

See above, you’re not automatically in a constant state of sin.

Mike316:

Your past sin while a heathen is truly never forgiven, or is the current marriage the sin, and if it is then to hell you go unless you divorce the women you love, oh but wait the original marraige is still valid.

What are you considering your sin? Your marriage or re-marriage? No you don’t need to “divorce” anyone. Divorce is a secular legal term.

Mike316:

You are bound to the first marriage and if an annulment cannot be obtained, then what?

If your first marriage isn’t annulled it is still valid.

Mike316:

I have joyfully jumped a number of walls of my faith coming to know God’s one church, but this one seems too high.

Jesus said it would be easy???

Mike316:

I desperately want to be in the faith the Lord started. Peace and love to all.

You’ve hinted, and hypothetically said, have you started the annulment process?

 

[germys9]

Mike316:

Hypothetically speaking sort of. Say one needs to get a marraige annulled for entry in the Church. The ex spouse will never comply with anything if it would in any way benefit the other ex. If the Church rejects the annulment you are in continual grave sin if you are remarried. So if the Catholic Church, the one true Church of God rejects you from full participation does God reject you also? In a continual state of sin you cannot participate in the Holy Eucharist therefore not able to participate in the a wonderful Sacrament of the faith. Your past sin while a heathen is truly never forgiven, or is the current marriage the sin, and if it is then to hell you go unless you divorce the women you love, oh but wait the original marraige is still valid. You are bound to the first marriage and if an annulment cannot be obtained, then what? I have joyfully jumped a number of walls of my faith coming to know God’s one church, but this one seems too high. I desperately want to be in the faith the Lord started. Peace and love to all.

God knows the intentions of your heart and the church will help you out in any situation you might be in. However, Jesus is the one is so clearly said that divorce and remarriage is adultery. The church is only trying to uphold this teaching (as the pillar and foundation of truth) which is so hard for some. But don’t forget that Jesus meant what he said and if the first marriage is not given a decree of nullity, the church must assume that the marriage was valid and therefore can not allow anyone to be remarried (What God has united no man must seperate). I say this not to give despair, but to be honest which will only help you in the end. Jesus is there waiting to help anyone in this situation as He knows the troubles of your heart. I will pray that if you are in this situation, you take the right steps to resolve it and find peace in Jesus Christ.

 

[Faustina]

Tom:

The annulment is not required to “enter” the Church.

I had to get an annullment before I entered the Church, meaning full acceptance and receiving Eucharist.

 

[chimakuni]

Faustina:

I had to get an annullment before I entered the Church, meaning full acceptance and receiving Eucharist.

There is no requirement for one to get an annulment (if they had a secular divorce) before entering the Church, **unless **that person is in a marriage at the time of entering the Church, which was a marriage that was not to the person who they had the secular divorce with. [If you are still following me, you are better than I am!] Or if that person is planning on getting married in the future.

We are all called to chastity - if you are still married in the eyes of the Church, meaning you have not received an annulment, then you should not be dating anyone. This is where it gets sticky.

Please go to your parish priest and discuss this with him. He will be able to assist you. God Bless.

 

[Mike316]

I have tried to contact a local perish, but haven’t heard back. I’ve read all kinds of information concerning annulments and was pretty convinced that a thorough investigation was conducted and information was requested and required from the previous spouse. Thanks for the replies and information. As long as there is hope, I can get through anything.

 

[chimakuni]

If a former spouse will not answer annulment questions or cannot be found, there is no need for despair. The tribunal deals with those issues all the time. I have a friend who is going through the annulment process and they cannot find his former wife…but the process is proceding anyway.

 

[asquared]

adults (over the age of reason, about age 7) join the Catholic Church throught various Rites of Christian Initiation, culminating in baptism (if not already validly baptized), confirmation and eucharist. Your parish will have and RCIA team to guide you and catechize you to prepare for these rites. During the period of formation and conversion you will be taking classes and studying scripture. Very early in this process the RCIA team will endeavor to ascertain if there is anything, such as a marriage situation that would prevent you from enjoying full communion with the Catholic Church. The pastor or deacon is the person to talk to about your marriage situation. Only he can ascertain the facts and refer you to the marriage tribunal of your diocese. Don’t take the advice of a layperson not involved in the tribunal process, somebody who got (or did not) an annulment to enter the church. Everybody’s situation is diferent and must be evaluated by the pastor, who knows the marriage laws. Incidentally, you do not get an annulment, you get a decree of nullity, that is, the marriage tribunal investigates the circumstances of your prior marriage, including interviews, and determines if a valid marriage existed. If not, a decree of nullity is issued. If there is no prior marriage, of either you or your current spouse, your parish priest or deacon will also counsel you on whether your current marriage needs to be convalidation (blessed by the Church) to be valid, and only they can advise you and lead you through that process.
BOTTOM LINE: everybody’s situation is different, ask the person who can answer your question, the priest or deacon, be honest with all the facts and circumstances, holding nothing back, and let them advise you on your course of actioon

 

[hermit]

Do either of these apply to your situation?

The Pauline Privilege applies only when both parties were unbaptized at the time of the marriage. It is not the same as an annulment. The Pauline Privilege dissolves a real but natural marriage. An annulment is a declaration that no valid marriage ever existed
The implementation of the Petrine privilige is reserved to The Pope. It involves the circumstance where one of the parties in the marriage is unbaptized and the other is baptized. Either party wants to become Catholic or wants to marry a Catholic. This marriage can be dissolved, permitting the person to become Catholic or to marry a Catholic. Thus, the Pope may act in favor of the Christian faith.