Relationship between Schizophrenia and the God

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Introduction: My name is Teru Wong and I am a patient of schizophrenia. I think I have something worth to tell, especially for those who want to know more about our world. The question whether the God exists or not is important in philosophical or religious debates. I found an interesting fact behind schizophrenia. It is exactly the proof of the existence of the God.
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The God controls our world in a very different way from most of us have expected. The God is “all-knowing”. Meanwhile, she can also talk to everyone of us if she wished to. However, she allowed us to have “free will” – what I am referring to here is the ability to make decisions. Hence, she did not control our world directly, but let all of us to have free will. Evil starts here. The God is all good, but human beings have desires. It creates tragedy. All the things happening on us, both good and bad news, are rewards and punishments from the God. One hooked after another. They are cause-and-effect relationships. Einstein once said “I cannot conceive of a god who rewards or punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious ourselves”. He was wrong. The God did all the good and bad on purposes.

Schizophrenia proved the God exists, but it does not fully imply our universe was created by the God. Then the definitions of the God vary. The God can speak to everyone of us silently, but it does not necessarily means that the God created our universe. The God may be a supreme being who survived with us, taking care of us, but never created anything. I guess her real presence is the Earth. Yes, I mean this planet. It will be a breakthrough if we can prove that the Earth is a supreme being. Someone may argue that you can also say that the God is the universe. I claimed that the God is a biological entity – the Earth – because the Church refuse Galileo idea that the Earth is not the center of the universe. The Church might made this mistake because the God “told” them the Earth is the center. The God (a Conscious Earth in this case) did not know either. This is a hint for the God is the CONSCIOUS Earth.

I do not write too long in case you guys are not interested in this topic, but I still think schizophrenia is the best way to prove the God exists. History will tell.
 
How exactly is schizophrenia proof of God’s existence? Also, I don’t understand why you think God is the earth.
 
Hello Teru,

Thank you for sharing that you are a patient of schizophrenia. I have just spent 2 hours to read your old threads. I did this to understand what you are saying. I noticed my of the members weren’t so nice at times. May I tell you that they weren’t trying to be mean. They did not know you’re a patient of schizophrenia. I understand why you don’t always tell other people. Ignorant people will be mean on purpose to a person who is any kind of patient. Some are just mean. But many others do not understand the illness and what it does to the patient. And others are afraid of the illness, so they deny their fear by being mean or laughing at the patient. However, if any person really does know God, such a person will not laugh at any patient of any illness. Therefore, I will apologize for the other members who offended you in past posts because they didn’t know you are a patient of schizophrenia. Even now that you shared this with us, most folks do not understand schizophrenia. They don’t know what the illness is and what it does to a person. The reason I know is because when I was a young man I studied schizophrenia for many years.

I also clicked on the link at the bottom of your posts called “my bio”. I then followed more of your links. May I ask you if you are on medication from doctors?

I see you are a very passionate young man, and you’re very concerned about other people and especially our planet that we call Earth. I am wondering how your grandmother is? It sounds like your concern started when she became Catholic. I hope she is okay. It is true that a person with schizophrenia can see things in a way others can’t. That’s what is happening with you. Some people often use the phrase “Mother Earth”. In addition to this, some other people believe we humans are intrinsically connected to the Earth, and our lives are dependent on the life of the Earth. There really is some truth to this. The Bible says God formed our bodies from the ground of the Earth, but then God had to make the bodies have life. So you are correct with much of what you say. But you are still a young man and you still have more to learn. All young people desire to know everything that you can only learn as you get older.

I have my TV on and I just heard China had a severe Earthquake. So who can blame you for wanting these things to stop happening. But Teru, this things are happening every where. Many people deny that these things are happening with a greater frequency than ever before, but us older folks know it is. I live in a place where a super storm named Sandy destroyed most of the town in 2011. You are a very compassionate person and you hope science can stop this. A lot of people hope so too. You’re right that we have been killing the Earth for over 100 years with pollution, radiation, throwing our garbage in the oceans, and other ways too. But I don’t believe Earth is the God. I do believe the God is not pleased with what we have done with our planet, and our lives.
I will end with that. I ask God to protect all who love His/Her ways. Amen
 
I am open to the very real possibility that in some cases schizophrenia is a form of spiritual experience. I also have come to the conclusion that some people on this planet do not have free will, that they perhaps chose to co-operate in some way with the Supreme Being before they were even born. When that choice begins to manifest itself in later life, the person can perhaps feel they have no free will, but in fact they chose the path they are on. Perhaps everything is predestined and no-one has free will. Who knows?

As bad as an earthquake is in China, we have to be thankful it didn’t occur in Japan, where the Daiichi plant at Fukushima is still quite fragile. So there are always reasons to be positive.

Best wishes,
Padster
 
I am open to the very real possibility that in some cases schizophrenia is a form of spiritual experience. I also have come to the conclusion that some people on this planet do not have free will, that they perhaps chose to co-operate in some way with the Supreme Being before they were even born. When that choice begins to manifest itself in later life, the person can perhaps feel they have no free will, but in fact they chose the path they are on. Perhaps everything is predestined and no-one has free will. Who knows?

As bad as an earthquake is in China, we have to be thankful it didn’t occur in Japan, where the Daiichi plant at Fukushima is still quite fragile. So there are always reasons to be positive.

Best wishes,
Padster
 
kk23wong said:
. . . schizophrenia is the best way to prove the God exists. History will tell.
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I can’t say I agree with your ideas, but this quote is very interesting.

I would say that in schizophrenia, God demostrates how we are to know Him.
The reality of schizophrenia reveals to me that He is found not solely in our philosophies, limited by our fragile cognitive abilities, but rather in the loving relationship that He offers us.
Whatever infirmity we suffer, God is with us - therein lies the proof.
 
Geo17 said:
Hello Teru,

Thank you for sharing that you are a patient of schizophrenia. I have just spent 2 hours to read your old threads. I did this to understand what you are saying. I noticed my of the members weren’t so nice at times. May I tell you that they weren’t trying to be mean. They did not know you’re a patient of schizophrenia. I understand why you don’t always tell other people. Ignorant people will be mean on purpose to a person who is any kind of patient. Some are just mean. But many others do not understand the illness and what it does to the patient. And others are afraid of the illness, so they deny their fear by being mean or laughing at the patient. However, if any person really does know God, such a person will not laugh at any patient of any illness. Therefore, I will apologize for the other members who offended you in past posts because they didn’t know you are a patient of schizophrenia. Even now that you shared this with us, most folks do not understand schizophrenia. They don’t know what the illness is and what it does to a person. The reason I know is because when I was a young man I studied schizophrenia for many years.

I also clicked on the link at the bottom of your posts called “my bio”. I then followed more of your links. May I ask you if you are on medication from doctors?

I see you are a very passionate young man, and you’re very concerned about other people and especially our planet that we call Earth. I am wondering how your grandmother is? It sounds like your concern started when she became Catholic. I hope she is okay. It is true that a person with schizophrenia can see things in a way others can’t. That’s what is happening with you. Some people often use the phrase “Mother Earth”. In addition to this, some other people believe we humans are intrinsically connected to the Earth, and our lives are dependent on the life of the Earth. There really is some truth to this. The Bible says God formed our bodies from the ground of the Earth, but then God had to make the bodies have life. So you are correct with much of what you say. But you are still a young man and you still have more to learn. All young people desire to know everything that you can only learn as you get older.

I have my TV on and I just heard China had a severe Earthquake. So who can blame you for wanting these things to stop happening. But Teru, this things are happening every where. Many people deny that these things are happening with a greater frequency than ever before, but us older folks know it is. I live in a place where a super storm named Sandy destroyed most of the town in 2011. You are a very compassionate person and you hope science can stop this. A lot of people hope so too. You’re right that we have been killing the Earth for over 100 years with pollution, radiation, throwing our garbage in the oceans, and other ways too. But I don’t believe Earth is the God. I do believe the God is not pleased with what we have done with our planet, and our lives.
I will end with that. I ask God to protect all who love His/Her ways. Amen
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Be relieve. I am receiving medication in a voluntary basis.

My grandma is living well too. Thank you.

I am searching for people who realize the truth – schizophrenia is actually come from the ability of the God. It is an abuse of power. I only know the God exists but wonder if he/she created this universe or simply coexist with us from the very beginning of history. I do not insist he/she is the Earth, but it is a possibility. Only some schizophrenia patient know the truth and therefore only patient has the key to the “truth”.

Love, hope, truth.
Let the truth survive on the internet.

Teru Wong
 
Aloysium said:
I can’t say I agree with your ideas, but this quote is very interesting.

I would say that in schizophrenia, God demostrates how we are to know Him.
The reality of schizophrenia reveals to me that He is found not solely in our philosophies, limited by our fragile cognitive abilities, but rather in the loving relationship that He offers us.
Whatever infirmity we suffer, God is with us - therein lies the proof.
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Speaking from the standpoint of one who knows the illness itself, it is possible to maintain the conclusion stated on “the best way”. Reason is, possibly, because the person with schizophrenia in his/her experience is possibly nakedly (as opposed to naturally) “handicapped” with respect to having full capacity of understanding. Therefore, it is a weak worldly experience, and hence when it shines or knows manifestly God’s love it is in the order of miracle. Schizophrenia miracles are arguably the best persuasion or what is called ‘proof’ here because, schizophrenia hangs around with us on the streets, in malls, buses, parks, etc., and if we but care to ask, much less pray, we have for ourselves living and enduring proof of God’s power on a daily basis. For many, unfortunately, this power has been interpreted as not the shared power of the human communities’ rational mind and compassion for the suffering, but solely of the scientific method.
 
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Also, CAF simply does not have sufficient moderation and administrative resources at this time to closely monitor all such threads.

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