Removing hats for Star Spangled Banner?

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Eleanor61 said:
I have always known that this rule applied to men, but find it interesting that they generally do not say “men”, they use a word like everyone which would seem to include women who do not remove their hats at church, funerals, or as a sign of respect at any time. Quite the contrary. This really bothers me. ( I am easily bothered )
Too politically incorrect to refer to gender?
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In Europe women kept their heads covered in church, or indoors for formal affairs. Maybe it’s the same in the USA and only men should remove their hats during the anthem?
 
Kamaduck said:
OK.

Not that many teenagers wear hats in this city.
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Or here, either. Unless they’re on a baseball field. Most guys who wear baseball caps are in their 30s, 40s, 50s. My son has a couple baseball caps and I can’t even get him to willingly wear his uniform cap.

He had his first ever little league game today. There was no national anthem, but the boys did line up to recite a pledge that began with words paying respect to God. It was similar to the Cub Scout / Boy Scout oaths. I never knew they did that at Little League.
 
Eleanor61 said:
I have always known that this rule applied to men, but find it interesting that they generally do not say “men”, they use a word like everyone which would seem to include women who do not remove their hats at church, funerals, or as a sign of respect at any time. Quite the contrary. This really bothers me. ( I am easily bothered )
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It is not that women *ought not *remove head coverings for the national anthem or for other reasons, but that there are common enough reasons that excuse a woman, such as the practical–women used to and sometimes even now anchor their hats with pins and clips, such that the hat is not easily removed and replaced–and out of religiously-held or personal standards for modesty that it is widely understood that the universal requirement for men does not apply to women. While men typically wear hats that are meant to be worn outdoors only, a woman might own a hat intended for indoor wear that has to be protected from inclement weather if worn outdoors!

Furthermore, there are also men who are excused, such as those wearing a yarmulke, topi, or a hat that is part of a military uniform. A bishop would not have to remove his zucchetto for the national anthem, either–although a bishop wearing a zucchetto to the ballpark would be a rare sight! Therefore, they don’t need to say “men remove your hats”; they say “everyone remove your hats”, and expect those who are excused to know they are excused.

Now, a girl or woman wearing a baseball cap at a ballgame might easily feel that even she ought to remove it for the national anthem, because a baseball cap is the sort of headgear that ought to be removed. She might feel she should leave it on, too, because while it is respectful for her brother to take his off, it might look like showing off her beautiful fall of hair for her to take hers off. She also may have a ponytail threaded through the thing, such that it is hard to get on and off, which would excuse her. It’s a judgment call.
 
Larry1700 said:
I’m not the most observant person in the world, nor do I have the greatest memory, but…

At the beginning of the Ravens/Broncos game I heard the announcer ask folks to remove their hats “while we honor America” (or something like that), and the Star Spangled Banner was sung.

I remarked to the guy watching the game with me, “Since when do we remove our hats for the Star Spangled Banner?” I certainly remember putting my hand over my heart for the SSB, but as for the hats, I remember being asked to remove them for the prayer.

I’m 54, and he is 30+ . He said as far as he remembers, it’s always been done that way.

I remember the prayer preceding the SSB, so perhaps that was why hats were removed during the SSB.

What do y’all remember?
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I’ve taught my kids…that this is a song that honors our nation…a song that exemplifies what generations of your ancestors died for…
stand up, take your hat off your head, put your hand on your heart, shut up and
REMEMBER THOSE WHO HAVE DIED FOR WHAT THIS SONG MEANS…PERIOD.

Sometimes, I remind them that their grandfather flew 97 sorties in WWII over Germany so that someday they would never have to live under the rule of an ***hole like Hitler…
 
on_the_hill said:
Or here, either. Unless they’re on a baseball field. Most guys who wear baseball caps are in their 30s, 40s, 50s. My son has a couple baseball caps and I can’t even get him to willingly wear his uniform cap.

He had his first ever little league game today. There was no national anthem, but the boys did line up to recite a pledge that began with words paying respect to God. It was similar to the Cub Scout / Boy Scout oaths. I never knew they did that at Little League.
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UGH! THERE WAS N O N A T I O N A L A N T H E M !!! AT A B A S E B A L L G A M E!!! IN AMERICA?? Pardon the ‘phrase’ but …WTF comes to mind right away!!! Isn’t BASEBALL the national pastime?

Now I know why I never had my kids involved in sports when they were young…such craziness!

My boys, who have never been involved in sports, know to remove their head coverings out of respect for God and our nation, and will do so whenever they hear the Star Spangled Banner, or someone is praying. My daughter will do the same.
Maybe some expect that sports and other teachers will instill the respect in God and our nation that should be instilled by parents…I don’t know…
 
h(name removed by moderator)forlife said:
UGH! THERE WAS N O N A T I O N A L A N T H E M !!! AT A B A S E B A L L G A M E!!! IN AMERICA?? Pardon the ‘phrase’ but …WTF comes to mind right away!!! Isn’t BASEBALL the national pastime?

Now I know why I never had my kids involved in sports when they were young…such craziness!
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I know. It was a travesty. I drew the line at lacrosse, never thinking the treason would emerge through baseball.
 
on_the_hill said:
I know. It was a travesty. I drew the line at lacrosse, never thinking the treason would emerge through baseball.
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Little League plays the national anthem before tournament games. I’ve never heard it played before regular games.

It would be interesting, though. Where I live, there is a small complex with four fields with games starting at different times. Can you imagine the confusion as all the games have to stop as the anthem plays on one of the fields?
 
h(name removed by moderator)forlife said:
UGH! THERE WAS N O N A T I O N A L A N T H E M !!! AT A B A S E B A L L G A M E!!! IN AMERICA?? Pardon the ‘phrase’ but …WTF comes to mind right away!!! Isn’t BASEBALL the national pastime?

Now I know why I never had my kids involved in sports when they were young…such craziness!

My boys, who have never been involved in sports, know to remove their head coverings out of respect for God and our nation, and will do so whenever they hear the Star Spangled Banner, or someone is praying. My daughter will do the same.
Maybe some expect that sports and other teachers will instill the respect in God and our nation that should be instilled by parents…I don’t know…
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You do realize that most Little League fields do not have sound systems, right? Most are essentially a backstop and a mound with two long benches behind two fences at 90 degrees. Maybe they have dugouts and maybe they have a little bleacher or two, but they usually do not even have flag poles. (The Little League fields are in the back of the schools; the flag poles at the front.)
 
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