Reply from Rome

[robin_hood]

In August of this year I wrote a letter to Cardinal Arinze about a liturgical abuse in my Diocese and since then I have not received a reply.
How long should I wait for a reply or should I expect one, since I wrote the letter the abuse has got worse in my Diocese
Has anyone out there received a reply from Rome about liturgical abuse and how long did it take.
Thanks

 

[pjn6444]

Did you talk to your bishop first?, or is the bishop committing the litrugical abuses? The bishop would be more fit to handle something like that. The Cardinal can not quash every liturgical abuse. You should talk to the Saint Joseph Foundation they help people address liturgical abuses.

 

[robin_hood]

Did you talk to your bishop first?, or is the bishop committing the litrugical abuses? The bishop would be more fit to handle something like that. The Cardinal can not quash every liturgical abuse. You should talk to the Saint Joseph Foundation they help people address liturgical abuses.

The liturgical abuse is the cleansing of chalices after Communion by Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.I followed the correct procedure I went to my Parish Priest first then the Bishop although the Bishop agreed with me that it was a liturgical abuse he said it was hard to change something that had become a custom in our Diocese.That is when I wrote to Rome.

 

[puzzleannie]

In August of this year I wrote a letter to Cardinal Arinze about a liturgical abuse in my Diocese and since then I have not received a reply.
How long should I wait for a reply or should I expect one, since I wrote the letter the abuse has got worse in my Diocese
Has anyone out there received a reply from Rome about liturgical abuse and how long did it take.
Thanks

if you have not first followed the steps outlined on cuf.org under “lay witness protocol” namely discussion with the pastor, documented letter to the bishop if real abuses remain unremedied, and then application to the papal nuncio, I would not expect an answer, I would expect the letter to be bounced back to the local bishop. Cardinal Arinze’s office does not operate as a liturgical SWAT team. also if you wrote about something that is not a true abuse (that is affecting licity and validity of Mass and sacrament) but a deviation of norms, I would not expect an answer either.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

In August of this year I wrote a letter to Cardinal Arinze about a liturgical abuse in my Diocese and since then I have not received a reply.
How long should I wait for a reply or should I expect one, since I wrote the letter the abuse has got worse in my Diocese
Has anyone out there received a reply from Rome about liturgical abuse and how long did it take.
Thanks

Cardinal Arinze doesn’t have authority over your bishop, so I doubt you will hear from him.

Jim

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

In August of this year I wrote a letter to Cardinal Arinze about a liturgical abuse in my Diocese and since then I have not received a reply.
How long should I wait for a reply or should I expect one, since I wrote the letter the abuse has got worse in my Diocese
Has anyone out there received a reply from Rome about liturgical abuse and how long did it take.
Thanks

The first thing I have to ask is did you explicitly ask for a reply?

 

[benedictgal]

Actually, what the OP did was in line with Redemptionis Sacramentum. Here is what it says:

1. The Apostolic See
   [181.] Whenever the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments receives at least a plausible notice of a delict or an abuse concerning the Most Holy Eucharist, it informs the Ordinary so that he may investigate the matter. When the matter turns out to be serious, the Ordinary should send to the same Dicastery as quickly as possible a copy of the acts of the inquiry that has been undertaken, and where necessary, the penalty imposed.

[182.] In more difficult cases the Ordinary, for the sake of the good of the universal Church in the care for which he too has a part by virtue of his sacred Ordination, should not fail to handle the matter, having previously taken advice from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. For its part, this Congregation, on the strength of the faculties given to it by the Roman Pontiff, according to the nature of the case, will assist the Ordinary, granting him the necessary dispensations289 or giving him instructions or prescriptions, which he is to follow diligently.
6. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favoritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.290 It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

Jim, with all due respect, you are wrong. As the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments does have authority over diocesan bishops in this matter, since it acts in the name of the Supreme Pontiff. In fact, because Cardinal Arinze was receiving reports about liturgical abuses around the world, this led to the formulation of Redemptionis Sacramentum, which was written in tandem with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (which was headed by… the former Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger).

In fact, all of the Congregations (Roman Curial offices) act in this manner. Then-Cardinal Ratzinger judiciously exercised his authority when he was Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, but, never independent of Pope John Paul II. He always briefed him every Friday evening on what his Congregation was doing.

To the OP, you may not necessarily get a direct response from Rome; however, you will know that something is happening when you see changes in what your diocese is doing. By the way, I don’t think that the Bishops Committee on Divine Worship has any juridical powers; they do, however, help the USCCB set policy. But, I don’t think they function like the CDWDS. I hope this helps.

 

[robin_hood]

if you have not first followed the steps outlined on cuf.org under “lay witness protocol” namely discussion with the pastor, documented letter to the bishop if real abuses remain unremedied, and then application to the papal nuncio, I would not expect an answer, I would expect the letter to be bounced back to the local bishop. Cardinal Arinze’s office does not operate as a liturgical SWAT team. also if you wrote about something that is not a true abuse (that is affecting licity and validity of Mass and sacrament) but a deviation of norms, I would not expect an answer either.

Yes I followed the correct procedure first a documented letter to my priest then the Bishop when I received a negative response I sent a letter to Rome.In Redemptionis Sacramentum paragraph 169 -184 shows how the authority of Rome works in charity,no SWAT teams needed.

 

[robin_hood]

The first thing I have to ask is did you explicitly ask for a reply?

No, but my question is how long do you wait for a reply or do you even get one I should imagine that Cardinal Arinze’s office is very busy with all the liturgical abuses going on

 

[puzzleannie]

No, but my question is how long do you wait for a reply or do you even get one I should imagine that Cardinal Arinze’s office is very busy with all the liturgical abuses going on

I doubt if you will get a personal reply, as this office will first contact the bishop, not you.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

benedictgal

Jim, with all due respect, you are wrong. As the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments does have authority over diocesan bishops in this matter, since it acts in the name of the Supreme Pontiff.

This is my understanding, and I’m open to correction.

The CDW in a sense enforces what the Pope and Bishops have agreed to, in Vatican II. The CDW can not make up new norms that the Bishops have not been part of. If the CDW had the authority that you suggest, Cardinal Mahoney in LA would’ve been reprimanded by now. However, he has not. He’s been told what he should be doing, but he has ignored them.

In other words, the CDW on the issue of the liturgy, acts is a similar way as the United States Supreme Court is suppose to act.

Jim