Report: "Polish bishops call for “clinics to help LGBT people regain natural sexual orientation”."

[mdgspencer]

https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/08...gbt-people-regain-natural-sexual-orientation/

“The requirement of respect for all people, including people identifying with LGBT+, is entirely correct, and a democratic state with the rule of law should ensure that none of the fundamental rights of these people are violated,” reads the KEP’s position.

However, the bishops make clear that they believe the fundamental rights of LGBT people do not include anything “clearly contrary to human nature and the common good (such as same-sex relationships or the adoption of children by such couples)”.
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The detailed, 27-page document rejects a number of postulates associated with the LGBT movement, which the bishops say is aiming to “force moral and cultural transformation by gradually accustoming society to behaviors that until recently were considered morally reprehensible”

 

[Rau]

Is there reason to believe effective treatments exist? Are there effective clinics in existence? I have my doubts…

 

[Cruciferi]

How can you possibly treat something that nobody fully understands?

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

One huge problem of “conversion therapy” is the non-precision of the desired treatment outcome.

The person marries an opposite sex person?
They never feel same sex attraction again, or only part time?
Is any measure of interest in the opposite sex the goal?
Romantic feelings? Sexual arousal?

I mean, romance and sex are complicated even with heterosexuals.

That being said, I have seen young people have some same sex feeling in their young teens, then settle into opposite sex relationships, and it seems that the less fuss and focus the parents put on the situation, the more likely the kid “becomes straight” (I apologize for the wording here :crazy_face

 

[Baho]

Based Poland. My wife and I are planning on going there if the U.S. ever goes off the deep end, our measuring stick being the point that they ban homeschooling.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

That being said, I have seen young people have some same sex feeling in their young teens, then settle into opposite sex relationships, and it seems that the less fuss and focus the parents put on the situation, the more likely the kid “becomes straight” (I apologize for the wording here :crazy_face

At the risk of sounding like some SJW goofball, human sexuality is genuinely pretty complicated and should really be viewed as a continuum and less two well defined boxes. The number of people who have some same-sex experimentation or feeling in their youth and then solidify into hetereosexuality is pretty high, according to all the data we have.

 

[Thorolfr]

The number of people who have some same-sex experimentation or feeling in their youth and then solidify into hetereosexuality is pretty high, according to all the data we have.

I have no doubt that more teenagers are experimenting sexually than in the past because it has become more acceptable to do so. But I’m not so sure that the numbers who do so are “pretty high.” According to a recent study from 2016, the number of young men who self reported having had at least one same sex encounter jumped from 4.5% to 8.2% between the early 1990s and the 2010s. That’s a big jump, but hardly a “pretty high” number over all.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Exactly.
I also think that putting too much focus on it is more counter productive.
Because then the kid is thinking about it too much.

 

[StudentMI]

If it’s voluntary, sure, let them waste their time trying to become straight.

If they’re talking about sending kids to these places, no, a thousand times no.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

I have no doubt that more teenagers are experimenting sexually than in the past because it has become more acceptable to do so. But I’m not so sure that the numbers who do so are “pretty high.” According to a recent study from 2016, the number of young men who self reported having had at least one same sex encounter jumped from 4.5% to 8.2% between the early 1990s and the 2010s. That’s a big jump, but hardly a “pretty high” number over all

I mean, high is relative. Certainly not the majority. But presumably there are a decent number who had some transient same sex attraction at some point but never acted on it.