Reporting use of Glass Chalice

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Timelines aside, using something which looks like a wineglass has a lot to do with the false-understanding of the “spirit of Vatican II” Often enough, these glasses are used as a way to deny the sacrificial aspect of the Mass and over-emphasize the “communal meal.” A gold chalice looks like it belongs in some kind of religious sacrificial ritual (naturally), but a wineglass looks like it belongs on the dining room table–for many people, that’s exactly the point they’re trying to make. And perhaps that, more than the issue of breakage alone, might be the point the Church is trying to make in forbidding these vessels.
I agree, the crystal cups do look more like wine glasses and that is one of the reasons that I was glad they were replaced but I can assure you that the pastor who was here when these glasses (cups) were purchased was in no way in denial of the sacrificial aspect of the Mass and never over-emphasized the “communal meal”. It was under his pastorship that our parish began a great spiritual renewal and several liturgical abuses were properly dealt with.
 
I agree, the crystal cups do look more like wine glasses and that is one of the reasons that I was glad they were replaced but I can assure you that the pastor who was here when these glasses (cups) were purchased was in no way in denial of the sacrificial aspect of the Mass and never over-emphasized the “communal meal”. It was under his pastorship that our parish began a great spiritual renewal and several liturgical abuses were properly dealt with.
I’m not questioning your pastor’s
denial of the sacrificial aspect of the Mass
My question would be is as to why did your priest set out to purchase the glass cups to be used as sacred vessel in the first place. He should have known that such crystal or glass cups were not in the least edifying when compared to gold or silver chalices and ciborium.
Failure for any Catholic Church to not give the very best it can afford to contain the most sacred body and blood of Jesus Christ are Saviour (“God”) is beyond me. And further I would go as much to say it is contemptable and blasphemous.
 
It’s quite likely the **Holy Grail **(the vessel Jesus Christ used at the Last Supper to hold the wine) was made out of breakable stone…
Probably not actually. Jews retained special vessells for the Passover ( and still do). Jesus had the Last Supper in a house of a rich man, as this man could afford to keep a fully furnished second story room within the city walls.

The kiddush cup (the cup used at Passover, and thus the one used by Christ at the Last Supper) would have almost certainly been silver.
 
I’m not questioning your pastor’s
I wasn’t responding to your post.

My question would be is as to why did your priest set out to purchase the glass cups to be used as sacred vessel in the first place. He should have known that such crystal or glass cups were not in the least edifying when compared to gold or silver chalices and ciborium.
Failure for any Catholic Church to not give the very best it can afford to contain the most sacred body and blood of Jesus Christ are Saviour (“God”) is beyond me. And further I would go as much to say it is contemptable and blasphemous.
First of all, I am not sure exactly who did the purchasing, but the pastor is ultimately responsible for what is purchased. It is so easy to be judge and jury today. Isn’t it nice to be able to research all of the rules and encyclicals on the internet so you have your answers in minutes at your fingertips? (That also goes for purchasing items and finding used vessels at an affordable price). That was not so available 15-20 years ago. Everything was done at a slower pace. If anyone had visited our church at the time these crystal cups were in use, I doublt they would have questioned the faithfulness of our priest or parishioners. But I know what you mean about the appearance of glass/crystal vessels because I travelled to my home state and attended Mass at a couple of Churches where glass (they looked more like glass than crystal) cups were used and the way that EMHC all pitched in with the pouring etc. it just did not look very devout- it looked more like there were about to serve the congregation. So I can empathize with the impressions of people regarding the use of crystal “glasses”. I just think you should be careful not to paint every pastor who has used crystal cups with the same brush.
 
First of all, I am not sure exactly who did the purchasing, but the pastor is ultimately responsible for what is purchased. It is so easy to be judge and jury today. Isn’t it nice to be able to research all of the rules and encyclicals on the internet so you have your answers in minutes at your fingertips? (That also goes for purchasing items and finding used vessels at an affordable price). That was not so available 15-20 years ago. Everything was done at a slower pace. If anyone had visited our church at the time these crystal cups were in use, I doublt they would have questioned the faithfulness of our priest or parishioners. But I know what you mean about the appearance of glass/crystal vessels because I travelled to my home state and attended Mass at a couple of Churches where glass (they looked more like glass than crystal) cups were used and the way that EMHC all pitched in with the pouring etc. it just did not look very devout- it looked more like there were about to serve the congregation. So I can empathize with the impressions of people regarding the use of crystal “glasses”. I just think you should be careful not to paint every pastor who has used crystal cups with the same brush.
I just think you should be careful not to paint every pastor who has used crystal cups with the same brush.
(“The key word you misused was painting every priest with the same brush category”) And I did not officially say your priest was bad.
I was not questioning your priest’s denial of the sacrificial aspect of the Mass either
 
We also sometimes forget that what is used at Mass has a lot to do with the unfortunate false-value of consumerism which pervades our entire society. Every day, my parish mailbox is stuffed full of junk mail specifically targeting churches. Remember that everytime someone buys a crystal goblet to use as a chalice, some business makes a profit–after all, that’s what they do. I recall that years ago, these goblets were marketed pretty aggressively. As we all know, marketing strategies can be quite successful in convincing us to buy things we otherwise don’t want or need. It may have taken a while, but for a lot of pastors, seeing these goblets in the catalogs, and seeing the inevitable mailings for them, eventually just wears down their resistance to such things. And quite frankly, the more we see them used in other parishes, the more it starts to look like this is “normal” because they simply cease to look out-of-the-ordinary. It’s not a matter of trying to keep up with the other parishes (every time the neighboring parish buys a new vestment, we have to do likewise…) but it is a matter of saying that when something becomes so commonplace that we fail even to take note of it, our own resistance starts to wear down.

I never liked glass/crystal chalices, and never bought one, but I do admit that I many times I was tempted to do so, if for no other reason than the fact that I kept seeing them in the ads and seeing them in other churches, I started to wonder if I wasn’t in the wrong for resisting them. When I was a deacon, my pastor had one of these. When I inquired if they were permitted, he responded that he bought it from the religious goods store operated by the diocese, so therefore it must be permitted. And he wasn’t being sarcastic either; he is not the kind of priest to knowingly do anything improper. He trusted those in authority to give him the right direction. The store had a policy against selling anything the Church did not permit–they wouldn’t sell a blue vestment for example, even if someone asked.

Since the Church has made Her position clear on this, at the present time, there’s no excuse for any priest who uses a glass/crystal chalice. But we also must keep in perspecitve that because these things were openly permitted (one way or another) for a good many years, we can’t necessarily fault the pastors who did buy them in the past.
 
Since the Church has made Her position clear on this, at the present time, there’s no excuse for any priest who uses a glass/crystal chalice. But we also must keep in perspecitve that because these things were openly permitted (one way or another) for a good many years, we can’t necessarily fault the pastors who did buy them in the past.
I appreciate your honest observation of this issue and final comment to your post. Sometimes we learn through experience and observation.

I believe that we went through a dark period in the late 70’s and early 80’s. I remember feeling uncomfortable about certain things that I saw going on in the church and archdiocese. We didn’t have the internet which is a very useful tool in this day and information can be obtained much quicker. I came across papers and magazines such as “The Wanderer”, “The Fatima Crusader”:confused:, “Soul Magazine” “The Fatima Family Messenger” and others. It was difficult at that time know which publications to listen to. But I was open to the inspirations of the Holy Spirit in guiding me to the truth. Even some of those publications that at first seemed good and faithful were in fact harmful (Fatima Crusader). I am glad to see so many of our young people today fired up about the truth of our Catholic Faith and want to see the Liturgy done right. The internet has made it so easy to do research especially for those who are seeking truth. But one must still be open to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in guiding them to the truth.

Getting back to my point, I believe that we went through a dark period in which it was not as easy as it is today to know what is right and wrong with the Liturgy. And this may have something to do with why such and such a good priest may have unknowingly participated in some liturgical abuse.
 
Probably not actually. Jews retained special vessells for the Passover ( and still do). Jesus had the Last Supper in a house of a rich man, as this man could afford to keep a fully furnished second story room within the city walls.

The kiddush cup (the cup used at Passover, and thus the one used by Christ at the Last Supper) would have almost certainly been silver.
Probably not actually.

Actually that’s not true. First there was or is no mandate that kiddush cups be made from silver. They used stone for such cups at least back then. Second even if silver or another precious metal was preferred, given the location and circumstances we can hardly assume that the Last Supper had all the accouterments available for use. Quite the opposite actually. Here is some interesting reading on the subject:
insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6747&Itemid=100
 
[edited] holy communion is to be respected. The protestants believe it is only a symbol. Catholics believe the bread and wine become the physical presence of the body and blood of our lord and savior christ! Proper respect and reverence is required!

“a thousand years of enjoying human glory is not worth even an hour spent sweetly communicating with jesus in the blessed sacrament.” st. Padre pio

" a thousand good deeds is not equal to one good mass" a quote from a saint that i read from somewhere. If someone could tell me who it is i would be thankful.
correction lutherans and anglicans (anglo catholic ones) have always taught the doctrine of the real presence of christ in the communion elements this is one of the major conflicts that the cc and her misinformed members always throw in the face of protestants. Lutherans are protestants but not all protestants are lutheran in doctrine and practice
 
Glass Chalices were used at mass at my collage. Since it is a Jesuit institution I wrote a letter to the local Jesuit Province. Is there anything else I should do in the meantime?
wow, I know of a few churches that use earthenware chalices for the wine. They’re sealed & glossed, but earthenware nonetheless… interesting
 
Glass chalices are be used again and I got a letter back from the pastor saying that such restriction can not be found in GIRM. According to the letter the archbishop is using glass chalices too.
 
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