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see a priest, both of you, and continue marriage counselling.

Insist he get tested for STDs before resuming relations.

A man who would have sex with another woman, then come back to his wife, much less get her pregnant, with that risk hanging overhead, is something I am to angry to say, but certainly not a real man, certainly not someone who cares for the welfare of his family. He needs counselling desparately, and so do you. the rest of us need to pray, not something that will be helpful to discuss here.
 
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Catholic2003:
There is no way to “undo” the sin of adultery. Thus, the remorse, therapy, etc., doesn’t obligate the innocent spouse to resume marital relations as far as the Church canon law is concerned.
I note you generally take this position in similar threads of this topic and I’ve meant to ask why you rely on canon law as opposed to the CCC and diocesan leadership.

Doesn’t canon law pertain to those in the magesterium charged with overseeing matter of the Church? I am not aware of any precept of the Church which requires us to know canon law and live our lives according to it.

I could be wrong, easily, so please help me to gain the proper perspective on it, but I get the impression canon law is for the ‘lawyers’ of the Church just as all legislative documents are for the lawyers and judges to know and rule by but the citizens of the community are only obliged to know the law in it’s distributed form, not the legaleze part of it.

So just as we rely on our civic leaders to present the laws in an understandable manner we expect our bishops/priests to do the same with canon law. When we have an issue we go to the priest, he advises us based on teaching/practices, but sometimes it warrants a deeper look whereby he would turn to the reference source of canon law to help him interpret the teaching better.

I guess that’s where my confusion lies…I consider canon law a source of reference which supports the rules we live by instead of the source of rules (the CCC). Canon law = reference source supporting the CCC. CCC = guidelines we ordinary Catholics live by.

And even though you are correct to go all the way back to the source, I’m not so sure we’re all supposed to disregard the CCC and advise of our priests.

Oh, and so as not to hijack this thread, feel free to email your response. I really would appreciate the insight. Thanks.
 
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puzzleannie:
see a priest, both of you, and continue marriage counselling.

Insist he get tested for STDs before resuming relations.

He needs counselling desparately, and so do you. the rest of us need to pray, not something that will be helpful to discuss here.
Absolutely!
 
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rayne89:
Have you ever been the victim of adultery? Do you know what it’s like to be betrayed in this way? You seem to be discounted the incredible emotional pain this woman has to be going through

I have been there but not in a situation as difficult as the OP describes. My husband told me 7 years after the fact. It was long since over. It still was absolutely devastating. I chose to forgive him, we went to retrouvaille (Fo this and other things related to my husband alcoholism) and our marriage healed over time.

Living without being able to trust the one you love makes you feel like your going crazy. When my husband was still drinking I never knew what was a lie and what was the truth. It makes you paranoid, it makes you question your own judgement.

Eventually if you want to save your marraige you will have to let yourself be vulnerable again. Is he still viewing porn? If that is still going on, then I’m sure your still feeling like he is betraying you and that makes it close to impossible to heal. My husband was addicted to porn several years back. I know how hard it can be break from that but he has to be making at least a serious effort to try.

What kind of changes has he made to reassure it’s really over? As far as NFP, so you know how to use it properly? I have used NFP for 9 years without becoming pregnant. I have a heart condition that would make another pregnancy fatal.

Also for your safety has he been checked for any STD’s?
I just know all things are possible with God and that according to our vows we are obliged to let God help us work through extremely difficult issues in life, we are not encouraged to remain stagnant in our pain or sever our marriage. It’s a horrendous cross, I understand, but it is ours to carry - just not alone. There are many, many avenues available to help each of us get through the worst times in our lives, the point is, we are called to get through them…to keep moving forward to God through the bad times as well as the good.

I also know of many, many examples of couples who did manage to get over infidelity and who came through such trials with stronger, more meaningful and intimate marriages. They did it with God’s help, of course, but they did it - and they’ve written books to help people like you and your husband, they’ve started support groups, etc. Again, the help is out there - God has provided it - we have to seek it out.
 
I have noticed some statements that forget the words of GOD in Isaiah, that apply to the betrayed in this situation, about how GOD, in dealing with us, will not bruise a broken reed, nor snuff out a dying wick. Peter says that one who is not sensitive to the most fragile of women’s feelings will not be heard by GOD in Prayer. It is in that sense that woman is called the weaker sex - that is, in concerning himself to point out that there is a feminine vulnerability that no husband in CHRIST shall transgress.
As for the question about Canon Law, as opposed to CCC, what was done by the transgressor is a mortal sin, and Canon Law, better than CCC, covers such matters as what lies in contradiction to the Life CCC illuminates.
And here is a question for all concerning the possibility of forfeiture:
had Mary not remained sinless before the Annunciation, could she have worked it all out? Look what Eve lost forever, for eating food not granted her.
 
I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to respond. I’m a bit busy with the kids and baby. Thank you for all the thoughtful responses…

Just to clarify… I never stated the celibate period would last the whole marriage. Actually, I am worried about what a celibate period of 6 months to a year would do to my husband in light of the addiction. I’m breastfeeding (not ecological) which is why I’m worried about getting pregnant again and after that ,when my cycles are normal, we would use NFP very conservatively. If I intended to never resume relations with him again then I would separate. I know that I could remain celibate for the time that I’m breastfeeding but I doubt he could. Since I’m trying so hard to save this marriage and protect my kids, I’m wondering if this celibate period may cause him to contact this other woman again. If he did, this marriage would have no hope of being saved. I can’t believe I’m still in this after he cheated the second time.

He is the reason I know so much of my faith and he loves to instruct others. He’d love to be an apologist and he taught RCIA and CCD for several years. If this all comes out, it wouldn’t only traumatize my children. It would be a scandal for all the people he has been trying to evangelize. He’s led a double life. He would talk to my teen about chastity while he’s out having an affair.

To YinYangMom, I definately have a problem trusting in anyone but the Lord. I’m always wondering now what people are really like beyond the masks they wear. I did take offense to your comment about “therapy at an affordable rate” as though you are a better person than I because you pay more for a therapist. It looks like you only had one therapist to pay for. We have a marital therapist, his therapist, my therapist along with therapists for my two older kids who need it off and on for ADD. Do you have an extra $600 month or more to pay for that? I don’t. I forget the saint who said this but I believe it—to work as hard as if everything depended on you and pray as if everything depends on God. That’s what I feel that I’m doing. Maybe you can be a bit more sensitive the next time you respond to a post of someone in obvious distress.
 
mary's kid:
To YinYangMom, I definately have a problem trusting in anyone but the Lord. I’m always wondering now what people are really like beyond the masks they wear. I did take offense to your comment about “therapy at an affordable rate” as though you are a better person than I because you pay more for a therapist. It looks like you only had one therapist to pay for. We have a marital therapist, his therapist, my therapist along with therapists for my two older kids who need it off and on for ADD. Do you have an extra $600 month or more to pay for that? I don’t. I forget the saint who said this but I believe it—to work as hard as if everything depended on you and pray as if everything depends on God. That’s what I feel that I’m doing. Maybe you can be a bit more sensitive the next time you respond to a post of someone in obvious distress.
Well said and charitable - I’m impressed by your presence of mind in this terribly difficult situation - you have demonstrated magnanimity of heart here.
 
So sincerely sorry for your situation with your husband! I suggest both you and your husband get AND LISTEN TO TOGETHER Christopher West’s cds on the THEOLOGY of the BODY ($4.00 at www.nakedwithoutshame.com). These CDs were a virtual relevation to my husband who, while not suffering a porn addiction, had been raised a very secular man in a non-christian home with no sisters. and, as most secularly-raised American males (it seems to me), thought nothing of going to girlie barswith friends on a night out, making dirty jokes, etc. No more. Especially since you state your husband would love to be a Catholic apologist, these CDs, I feel, will equip him with a true understanding of his disordered viewpoint of women and sexuality and give him a proper understanding of the sacramentality of marriage.

My husband (a convert) listened to these on his way to and from work, and kept on coming home to me saying, YOU’VE GOT TO LISTEN TO THIS STUFF! IT IS THE MISSING PIECE! I UNDERSTAND NOW ABOUT MARRIAGE AND WHY SEX IS SACRED… I did listen to them, and even though I’m a cradle Catholic, it really did shed a whole new light on what MARRIAGE IS. My whole VIEW of my life (as a married woman) is now skewed with this understanding of the Church’s teaching on the beauty of marriage and sexuality within marriage. It is AWESOME!!!

Also, I know that Christopher West has a tape/cd set on his website called WINNING THE BATTLE FOR SEXUAL PURITY which i ordered for a brother in law of mine who walked the same distressing sinful path your husband did which just about destroyed my sister’s marriage (they are doing better now (no relapse for him (yet?!) and he thought the tapes were great, and he’s not even Catholic!)

GOD BLESS and hug your babies!!
 
mary's kid:
Just to clarify… I never stated the celibate period would last the whole marriage. Actually, I am worried about what a celibate period of 6 months to a year would do to my husband in light of the addiction.
Oh! That does make a difference and is definitely a good question.

As for the trust issue, been there myself. My grandfather always teased “Trust no one, not even your Grandpa”…we laughed it off at the time, but by the time I was in college, boy it was sad how much it had really set in. I had serious trust and control issues. Don’t think I got over those until my kids were in middle school, and it wasn’t because of any thing I did or set out to do…God pretty much made Himself clearly the one in control and the grace of the Holy Spirit helped me to see it one day. Life is much easier now.
I did take offense to your comment about “therapy at an affordable rate” as though you are a better person than I because you pay more for a therapist. It looks like you only had one therapist to pay for.
My apologies for not being clearer myself. My point was that God somehow finds a way to provide for the needs of the family even though on paper it appears impossible. Even though it was just one therapist that was a huge cut from our budget. I cried for several days going over and over the numbers feeling so incompetent for not being able to provide the critical care my son needed at that moment, wrestled with taking on a part time job on top of my full-time one, etc. Ended up at adoration and peace came over me. Went home and made the appointment with the therapist. It so happened I ended up with a retroactive raise the university handed out, my husband was handed a few extra projects at work which were extra pay, relatives sent checks for late birthdays and such…somehow we had just as much as we needed to get him through therapy - over a year’s worth of sessions! I understand your distress, I was hoping to offer a bit of hope - that obviously backfired in my rush to post, my bad 😦

If I recall correctly though you already have good therapists lined up for all your family’s needs within your insurance so you wouldn’t need to go elsewhere anyway. I suppose my post came across suggesting you should, but you made it clear they were out of range distance-wise as well and then you shared that the therapist you see is Christian already and supports saving the marriage. I think that came later in the thread though.

Anyway, I just want you to know that I believe completely that since marriage is so sacred God will provide whatever it is you need to help you and your husband through this - including money when you see no way that could possibly happen. It’s scary as all get out to be in that position and truly, I don’t know how it works - whether it was a measure of my own faith or despite the lack of it - but I wanted you to know it did happen against all odds.

As for the 6 month celibacy period, how your husband handles that depends on the support system he has in place to help him through it. Therapy sessions, affection time between the two of you (non-sexual, kind of back to the courtship days), and listening to the 10 cd set of Christopher West’s Naked without Shame might help (it may take him 6 months to listen and reflect on each cd 😉 ). It took me about a week - hard to find the time - but it was so good I kept wanting to get back to it instead of having to force myself to pick it up again - that was a good thing.

Somehow I get the impression you two are going to be ok. I’m sorry I’m not of much help explaining why I feel that strongly about it, or how I see it coming to be. Maybe just knowing someone out here believes can help just a little?
 
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