Rev Chapter 11 and the two witnesses

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Hi I have started to read the revelation and to me the whole thing is confusing :confused:

But I have a question does anyone know or can interpertate chapter 11 or know anything about the two witnesses and who they could be?

and what is the meaning of this chapter?

If anyone could be bothered can you tell me the meaning of the whole book a big ask I know and whats with these bowls of wrath and satan getting locked up for a thousand years and getting free again what is the point of that?

Well i’m more concerned about chapter 11, anyone know the meaning?

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Hi I have started to read the revelation and to me the whole thing is confusing :confused:

But I have a question does anyone know or can interpertate chapter 11 or know anything about the two witnesses and who they could be?
The interpretation that I read is that they are Enoch and Elijah (The two men assumed into Heaven.) Another interpretation has it as Elijah and Moses (The two upholders of the Torah.)
 
An older Catholic commentary on Revelation can be found here. On the menu on the left of the screen, select “New Testament”, “Final Book”, “Revelation”, “Chapters”, Chapters 11-20", “Chapter 11”. The verses with commentary are indicated with blue verse numbers. Just click on the verse number to see the commentary. The commentary should appear in the lower main window.

**CHAP. XI., VER. 3. **-- My two witnesses . . . shall prophesy twelve hundred and sixty days. It is a very common interpretation, that by these two witnesses must be understood Henoch [Enoch] and Elias [Elijah], who are to come before the end of the world. It is true this is what we read in several of the ancient fathers, insomuch, that Dr. Wells, in his paraphrase, calls it the “consent of the primitive fathers,” and in his notes says, it is of “unexceptionable authority.” This opinion (at least as to Elias) is grounded on those words of the prophet Malachy, (chap. iv. 5.) Behold, I will send you Elias, the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord; and also on the words of our Saviour Christ, (Matt. xvii. 11,) where he tells his disciples: Elias indeed shall come, and restore all things. But I cannot say that the consent of the fathers is so unanimous as to Henoch: for we find by S. Hilary, that some thought Jeremy was to come with Elias, and he himself thought that with Elias would come Moses. See his commentary on Matt. p. 710, nov. edit. Secondly, allowing it a received opinion that Henoch and Elias are again to come before the day of judgment, yet it is not the constant doctrine of the ancient Fathers, that by these two witnesses in this place of the Apocalypse, must be understood Henoch and Elias. S. Cyprian expounds it of two sorts of martyrs for the Catholic faith; to wit, they who suffer death, and others who only suffered imprisonment, loss of goods, and the like. Others expound it of the testimonies concerning Christ and his Church, of which some are in the Old Testament, some in the New. To these we must join all those interpreters who expound all the visions and predictions in the Apocalypse, till the 20th chapter, of the persecutions raised by the Jews; or by the heathens against the Church, which have already happened. Of these, both as to ancient Fathers and later interpreters, see Alcazar in his Prolegomena, note 6, p. 33, and note 12, p. 48. Wi. – Two witnesses. It is commonly understood of Henoch and Elias. Ch.

:twocents: Personally, I think most of Revelation is about the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. So, I think, the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, who represent the Law and the Prophets which testify to Jesus Christ. Their deaths, resurrection, and ascension represent the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ.
 
Evanescence,

If you are serious about studying Revelation, I suggest the following from Dr. Scott Hahn, Professor of Biblical Theology at the Franciscan Univ. of Steubenville:

**The End - The Book of Revelation (audio series) **by Scott Hahn
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It’s expensive, so I recommend you go to your parish or diocese library to see if they have it for checkout. If not, ask that they buy it for their library. It’s outstanding.
 
another thing to think about here is that the Jewish targums also state that two will testify against Israel and names Moses and Isaiah
 
Right now I am conducting a research on the subject, but it seems that Zacaria 4:1-3,14. Makes a lot sence when we compared this two witnesses with the system of the USA, which is politics, to rule the whole world, from a Christian perspective.

The two witnesses seem to be characters rather than real humans.

I am open minded and accept comments and suggestion in a positive manner.
 
I have heard several possibilities:

  1. *]Enoch & Elijah–because neither of them died; they were “taken up” by God.
    *]Moses & Elijah–because they were the two people who appeared with Christ at the Transfiguration.
    *]Christians & Jews–because these are the revealed religions of the Bible.

    I am inclined to #2 myself…but nobody ever accused me of being an expert.
 
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Zooey:
I have heard several possibilities:

  1. *]Enoch & Elijah–because neither of them died; they were “taken up” by God.
    *]Moses & Elijah–because they were the two people who appeared with Christ at the Transfiguration.
    *]Christians & Jews–because these are the revealed religions of the Bible.

    I am inclined to #2 myself…but nobody ever accused me of being an expert.

  1. The two witnesses being the Religious/Political system in which our USA law is based makes a lot of sence along with the Lost Tribes of Israel.
 
Come on people, I need to read some comments on the subject.
 
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