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daraku
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what is the meaning of the verse?
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Verbum
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Hi Daraku,
Here this verse speaks of those who did not fall into idolatry. cf Oseah 1,2 ff. where this theme is developped at length.
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Here this verse speaks of those who did not fall into idolatry. cf Oseah 1,2 ff. where this theme is developped at length.
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Clovis
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I personally think that all the children of the world are in this pack which follow the lamb. Surely it is adulthood that makes us responsible for our sins, while as children we are blameless.
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Savagedds
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Many would agree with you, at least partly. As we approach the age of reason, generally thought to be about the age of seven, we begin to bear more and more culpability for our sins. So while children too young to have full use of their reason may not have full culpability for objectively sinful acts, it would not be correct to say that a child with partial use of his intellect and ability to reason can be assumed to be totally blameless.I personally think that all the children of the world are in this pack which follow the lamb. Surely it is adulthood that makes us responsible for our sins, while as children we are blameless.
Only God can judge a heart, we are not to condemn others for good reason.
Pax,
Jim
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thistle
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D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:
Ver. 4. These are they, &c. In the style of the prophets, by fornication is meant idolatry, and virginity signifies cleanness from all sacrilegious worship. These, therefore, are virgins in this sense, who have not fallen into the impurities of creature worship. But others, as St. Augustine, understand it of persons who have lived in continency. The first, however, is the more literal sense. (Calmet)
Ver. 4. These are they, &c. In the style of the prophets, by fornication is meant idolatry, and virginity signifies cleanness from all sacrilegious worship. These, therefore, are virgins in this sense, who have not fallen into the impurities of creature worship. But others, as St. Augustine, understand it of persons who have lived in continency. The first, however, is the more literal sense. (Calmet)
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COPLAND_3
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These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Keep in mind that the Greek word used for ‘pure’ in your translation is actually “parthenoi” plural for ‘parthenos’ as found in Matthew 1:23 and the Greek Septuagint meaning “virgin”. So keeping that in mind listen to what St. Caesarius says, I think he says it best, he says,what is the meaning of the verse?
In this passage we do not understand the ‘virgins’ to be only those who are chaste in the body. Rather, we have especially in mind the whole Church that holds to the pure faith, as the apostle says, “I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.(2Cor. 11:2)” For she is not corrupted by any adulterous commixture of the heretics, not to the end of its life is it hindered by the alluring yet deadly desires of this world or by an infelicitous perservernce in them without the remedy of penance.
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Ron_Conte
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daraku (tenshi?),what is the meaning of the verse?
I interpret this passage as referring to the first fruits of the Church in the end times, prior to the return of Jesus; these are very holy persons (men, women, children) who are the culimination of many centuries of the Church’s growth in holiness.
There is no standard or widely agreed upon interpretation, though.
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