So there is no single Eastern/Oriental Catholic Church which has official stand on these revelations?You can find Eastern Catholics who believe in or have devotion to each of these; just as many who have no particular devotion to, attraction toward, interest in, or belief in any of those referenced; and others who reject outright some or all of them.
Many years,
Neil
What is your point?<So there is no single Eastern/Oriental Catholic Church which has official stand on these revelations?>>
Not really.
Keep in mind that according to the Holy Gospels, the last words of the Virgin recorded there are: “Whatever He says to you, do it.”
Why need she say anything more?
That there is no point according to the east for Mary to appear to people. It means nothing to eastern Catholicism. She has said everything when she said “do what He tells you”.What is your point?
But on this occasion, she was not alone, but surrounded by choirs of different saints, as the icon depicts–and said nothing.Jimmy, this may be true in your particular tradition, but it cannot be said of the East in general. The apparition at Βλαχερναί, for example, is on the calendar of many Slavic churches, and is commemorated in the patronal dedication of very many parishes. A far cry from “means nothing”.
The stand is that of Rome - they are approved private revelations…So there is no single Eastern/Oriental Catholic Church which has official stand on these revelations?
Jimmy I think you are taking on a distinctive contradistinctive approach to Eastern Catholocism. Very to-may-to/to-mah-to.That there is no point according to the east for Mary to appear to people. It means nothing to eastern Catholicism. She has said everything when she said “do what He tells you”.
Icons are different than Mary coming and revealing three secrets to a few children as done in Fatima. I might have been a little strong in my characterization but I wasn’t ever really giving my opinion. I was simply explaining what bpbasil said.Jimmy I think you are taking on a distinctive contradistinctive approach to Eastern Catholocism. Very to-may-to/to-mah-to.
Marian apparitions and miraculous icons loom large in Eastern Christianity. To "It means nothing to eastern Catholicism." is a gross and inaccurate mischaracterization and over generalization.
And a source of unity and fervant spirituality as well.Fatima has been a source of division for the western church.
That is good. I am fine with people finding solice in the apparitions. In that way they have been a good thing. I myself do not find them meaningful for myself.And a source of unity and fervant spirituality as well.
The division I mostly relegate to some grunerites and those opposing them. That it is more widespread or eclipses the greater benifit of Fatima - wider devotion to the rosary, devotions, confession - is hardly the case.
A good deal of our co-religionists in the Greek Catholic church found solice, personal peace, comfort and consolation in Fatima during the darkets years of our church’s suppression in the Soviet Empire.
The rosary was prayed fervantly by many during those years (and many still today) for deliverance from persecution. I believe with all my heart that those prayers to the Mother of God were efficacious and did not just float off unheard into the ether like so much cigarette smoke…
I don’t agree at all with those that have enshrined Fatima as a battleground for Roman orthodoxy. But on balance, such debates and those polemicists are in the minority - the fruits of that devotion have far outweighed the effects of a bitter debate among the few.
God bless!That there is no point according to the east for Mary to appear to people. It means nothing to eastern Catholicism. She has said everything when she said “do what He tells you”.
Akathist or moleban?I have in my possession an Akathist written by a Byzantine Catholic (at another forum) in honor of Our Lady of Guadalupe. So Eastern Catholics certainly may believe in these apparitions if they wish (though like all Catholics, they’re not required to).
Actually I am searching the message board where it was originally posted - here’s the link to a thread which mentions it, and I will come back & edit this reply when I find the Akathist itself:Akathist or moleban?
Either way, if you have a digi version of that, I would love to see it.