Righteous Judgement

[Petersmate]

So when are we judging peole and what is righteous judgement.

**Brothers, I urge you, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, not to have factions among yourselves but all to be in agreement in what you profess; so that you are perfectly united in your beliefs and judgements.1 Corinthians 1:10

Do not keep judging according to appearances; let your judgement be according to what is right.’ John 7:24

Do not judge, and you will not be judged;
because the judgements you give are the judgements you will get, and the standard you use will be the standard used for you. Matthew 7 1:2**

When I tell my fellow Catholic off for not going to church or not living by the teachings of the church I get these passages thrown at me.

 

[Abu]

Petersmate #1
So when are we judging peole and what is righteous judgement

There is a great need to understand Christ’s teaching on judging. Unfortunately judging what is truth is often neglected without an iota of understanding that it is a major misrepresentation of the teaching of Christ who mandates the need to judge everything. Hence the virtual acceptance of error and the promulgation of error in faith and morals.

We may not judge motives, intentions, and guilt before God but we are commanded by Christ Himself to judge actions, speech, writing against truth and in this way we can help others by offering truth.

The rule from Christ is:
“Judge not that you be not judged.” (Mt 7:1)

“Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly.” (Jn 7:24).

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them” (Mt 7:15, 16).

“Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you will know them.” (Mt 7:19-20).

St Paul adds:
“Test everything: retain what is good.” (1Thess 5:21).

“The spiritual person, however, can judge everything but is not subject to judgment by anyone.” (1 Cor 2:15).

“I, for my part, although absent in body but present in spirit, have already, as if present, pronounced judgment on the one who has committed this deed…” (1 Cor 5:3; read 1-13).

“I am speaking as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I am saying.” (1 Cor 10:15).

“Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” (1 Jn 4:1).

“I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of my mouth.” (Rev 3:16).

Again, we may not judge motives, intentions, and guilt before God but are commanded to judge actions, speech, writing against truth and in this way we can help others by offering truth.

 

[ready]

So when are we judging peole and what is righteous judgement.

**Brothers, I urge you, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, not to have factions among yourselves but all to be in agreement in what you profess; so that you are perfectly united in your beliefs and judgements.1 Corinthians 1:10

Do not keep judging according to appearances; let your judgement be according to what is right.’ John 7:24

Do not judge, and you will not be judged;
because the judgements you give are the judgements you will get, and the standard you use will be the standard used for you. Matthew 7 1:2**

When I tell my fellow Catholic off for not going to church or not living by the teachings of the church I get these passages thrown at me.

These passages do not even apply to you. When we are commanded in the Scriptures not to judge it means that we are not to judge another person RASHLY. You are not judging rashly in your situation, you are speaking the truth. God bless you.

 

[TimothyH]

When I tell my fellow Catholic off for not going to church or not living by the teachings of the church I get these passages thrown at me.

You might get more than a verse thrown in your face if you go around telling people off.

-Tim-

 

[Dodge_pursuit]

I would have to agree with the comment that these verses do not even apply to you.

Probably a good idea to remember St. Paul’s directive that all we do must be done with charity- whether it be correction or not. “Telling someone off” conveys an image of getting in someone’s face and being obnoxious, whether you meant it that way or not.

In other words, there is a difference between “You really ought to go to mass” and “You maggots make me sick, thinking you can skip mass whenever you want!”

However, I have noticed many a non-believer throwing bible verses around, thinking they are really clever when they are in fact misquoting and taking things out of context to defend sin and death. For instance, I recall my sister getting very angry at me for sharing the gospel with my niece, saying “Aren’t Christians supposed to be loving?”

Loving? Yep. Confirming loved ones in their sins and keeping quiet about the Way, the Truth and the Life? Nope.

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (Mat 10:32-35)

Nice try though. Similar to the beloved rock and roll star last week suggesting that Jesus would support gay marriage, “if he was alive,” because he was “all about love.”

Men love the darkness.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (John 3:19)

God bless you.

 

[Petersmate]

There is a great need to understand Christ’s teaching on judging. Unfortunately judging what is truth is often neglected without an iota of understanding that it is a major misrepresentation of the teaching of Christ who mandates the need to judge everything. Hence the virtual acceptance of error and the promulgation of error in faith and morals.

We may not judge motives, intentions, and guilt before God but we are commanded by Christ Himself to judge actions, speech, writing against truth and in this way we can help others by offering truth.

The rule from Christ is:
“Judge not that you be not judged.” (Mt 7:1)

“Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly.” (Jn 7:24).

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them” (Mt 7:15, 16).

“Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you will know them.” (Mt 7:19-20).

St Paul adds:
“Test everything: retain what is good.” (1Thess 5:21).

“The spiritual person, however, can judge everything but is not subject to judgment by anyone.” (1 Cor 2:15).

“I, for my part, although absent in body but present in spirit, have already, as if present, pronounced judgment on the one who has committed this deed…” (1 Cor 5:3; read 1-13).

“I am speaking as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I am saying.” (1 Cor 10:15).

“Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” (1 Jn 4:1).

“I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of my mouth.” (Rev 3:16).

Again, we may not judge motives, intentions, and guilt before God but are commanded to judge actions, speech, writing against truth and in this way we can help others by offering truth.

Thank you, great information .

 

[Petersmate]

You might get more than a verse thrown in your face if you go around telling people off.

-Tim-

I would have to agree with the comment that these verses do not even apply to you.

Probably a good idea to remember St. Paul’s directive that all we do must be done with charity- whether it be correction or not. “Telling someone off” conveys an image of getting in someone’s face and being obnoxious, whether you meant it that way or not.

In other words, there is a difference between “You really ought to go to mass” and “You maggots make me sick, thinking you can skip mass whenever you want!”

However, I have noticed many a non-believer throwing bible verses around, thinking they are really clever when they are in fact misquoting and taking things out of context to defend sin and death. For instance, I recall my sister getting very angry at me for sharing the gospel with my niece, saying “Aren’t Christians supposed to be loving?”

Loving? Yep. Confirming loved ones in their sins and keeping quiet about the Way, the Truth and the Life? Nope.

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (Mat 10:32-35)

Nice try though. Similar to the beloved rock and roll star last week suggesting that Jesus would support gay marriage, “if he was alive,” because he was “all about love.”

Men love the darkness.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (John 3:19)

God bless you.

Yes I am guilty of being a bit too harsh at times and I will work on my bedside manor.
As for family members I tend to be a bit more open if you know what I mean.

 

[Abu]

Thank you Petersmate. I write from Springwood, QLD.

 

[Petersmate]

Thank you Petersmate. I write from Springwood, QLD.

Ah G’day I’ve tried in the past to chat with Aussies in an Aussie group but no one seems to stick around for long.