Roles for men and women

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Rudy,

The problem that I have with your premise is that the “plainness” of the Scriptures is also the argument that fundamentalists use to justify all kinds of beliefs that Catholics do not necessarily subscribe to. For example, in Genesis, God clearly says that the world was created in six days:
God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good. Evening came, and morning followed–the sixth day. –Genesis 1:31
I don’t know how much plainer it can get. God created the entire world in exactly six days. And yet, as Catholics, we’re permitted to believe that this was allegorical, that perhaps this passage is meant to convey a deeper truth than simply a historical account of how the world began.

Likewise, when I read the passage in 1 Corinthians that you reference, it does not at all become apparent to me that God considers short hair on women to be sinful. Here is the passage (1 Cor. 11:10- 16 as written in the New American Bible that the US Catholic Bishops have on their website:
For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; nor was man created for woman, but woman for man; for this reason a woman should have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels. Woman is not independent of man or man of woman in the Lord. For just as woman came from man, so man is born of woman; but all things are from God. Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled? Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him, whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering? But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor do the churches of God.
I find this a bit confusing, actually. I don’t think nature teaches us that long hair on a man is disgraceful; how could it? Nature naturally makes the hair on men’s heads grow long. Why is it that long hair on a man is disgraceful, but should be considered the glory of a woman?

I read the footnotes on the USCCB’s website. For better or worse, I don’t find this passage so clear as you do, and I often rely on Christian scholars to indicate what this might mean. The eighth footnotes reads:
The argument for conformity to common church practice is summed up and pressed home. 1 Cor 11:14-15 contain a final appeal to the sense of propriety that contemporary Greek society would consider “natural.”
In other words, the rules that this passage is trying to convey might be that Church-goers ought to exercise propriety current to their contemporary culture. So, for example, it is commonly thought that when Paul was writing, only prostitutes and lesbians had their hair cut short. It makes sense, then, that he would tell women not to cut their hair; to do so would be immodest. But today this might not be the case, since short hair no longer indicates one’s status or sexual preference in American culture. I don’t see why you should consider this interpretation to be selfish. It makes perfect sense to me.

Furthermore, I wonder, if it really is so shameful for a woman to have short hair, and since it is so prevalent for women in the United States to have short hair today, why is it that the Church hasn’t spoken definitely on this? Why isn’t there something in the catechism that explains in current vernacular why short hair is sinful, just as it explains why divorce, adultery, and theft are sinful (even though these latter sins are spelled out very clearly in Scripture). The reason I think it does not include “short hair” as a sin in the catechism is not that Scripture speaks so plainly that we don’t need interpretation, but rather that the Church does not consider short hair to be sinful and feels even less inclined to spell out everything that isn’t a sin.

Lastly, and for the record, I am a woman with very long hair, so your theory that only women with “manly” haircuts object to your interpretation is false.

God bless.
 
Rudy,

The problem that I have with your premise is that the “plainness” of the Scriptures is also the argument that fundamentalists use to justify all kinds of beliefs that Catholics do not necessarily subscribe to. For example, in Genesis, God clearly says that the world was created in six days:

I don’t know how much plainer it can get. God created the entire world in exactly six days. And yet, as Catholics, we’re permitted to believe that this was allegorical, that perhaps this passage is meant to convey a deeper truth than simply a historical account of how the world began.

Likewise, when I read the passage in 1 Corinthians that you reference, it does not at all become apparent to me that God considers short hair on women to be sinful. Here is the passage (1 Cor. 11:10- 16 as written in the New American Bible that the US Catholic Bishops have on their website:

I find this a bit confusing, actually. I don’t think nature teaches us that long hair on a man is disgraceful; how could it? Nature naturally makes the hair on men’s heads grow long. Why is it that long hair on a man is disgraceful, but should be considered the glory of a woman?

I read the footnotes on the USCCB’s website. For better or worse, I don’t find this passage so clear as you do, and I often rely on Christian scholars to indicate what this might mean. The eighth footnotes reads:

In other words, the rules that this passage is trying to convey might be that Church-goers ought to exercise propriety current to their contemporary culture. So, for example, it is commonly thought that when Paul was writing, only prostitutes and lesbians had their hair cut short. It makes sense, then, that he would tell women not to cut their hair; to do so would be immodest. But today this might not be the case, since short hair no longer indicates one’s status or sexual preference in American culture. I don’t see why you should consider this interpretation to be selfish. It makes perfect sense to me.

Furthermore, I wonder, if it really is so shameful for a woman to have short hair, and since it is so prevalent for women in the United States to have short hair today, why is it that the Church hasn’t spoken definitely on this? Why isn’t there something in the catechism that explains in current vernacular why short hair is sinful, just as it explains why divorce, adultery, and theft are sinful (even though these latter sins are spelled out very clearly in Scripture). The reason I think it does not include “short hair” as a sin in the catechism is not that Scripture speaks so plainly that we don’t need interpretation, but rather that the Church does not consider short hair to be sinful and feels even less inclined to spell out everything that isn’t a sin.

Lastly, and for the record, I am a woman with very long hair, so your theory that only women with “manly” haircuts object to your interpretation is false.

God bless.
You sound like a very thoughtful woman. A blessing in these times of spiritual dumdness. I am glad to hear a sound and thoughtful and caring ideal. I will definitely consider your caring and reasoned opinion. Thank you and God bless you for your consideration to even reply
-Thanks, Your friend Sean.🙂
 
We don’t need to look to the Church for the answer to this - we can simply look at a manual of etiquette. The fundamental rule which applies to this and virtually all public situations is:

Do nothing that will draw attention to yourself.

So - in your cases - if you are in a situation where a catastrophe has led to general weeping - there is no problem with a male or female crying.

In a society where all women have long hair, a woman shouldn’t cut her hair short (unless she is in a community of nuns of course). In the same way I would say a man shouldn’t have long flowing locks of hair in a society in which most men have short or medium length hair.

Drawing attention to ourselves is prideful - and it is from Catholic morality that these rules of etiquette arose in the first place.

A final word: sometimes we do need to draw attention to ourselves - when we are in danger, etc. In these cases the rules of etiquette are ignored.
 
I’m pretty sure you guys are right. I mean, would Jesus have cried in public or done anything to draw attention to Himself?! Preposterous!

I think that anything that draws attention to oneself is shameful and sinful. Colorful clothing, being overweight, diamond wedding rings, protesting, humming on a bus, high-pitched laughter, and gas are all sinful. We really can’t have anything detracting our focus from God. peace and love, and I hope I didn’t offend anyone. Jesus died for me so I can be this humble. I am nothing without God. Yay God’s forgiveness.

(no colorful smilies please)
 
And how can you tell that God hates long hair? I hate when people try to figure out what God hates. Did he tell you what appearances he hated?
 
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