Roman Deacons vs. Eastern Deacons

[Brendan]

If that was a Latin speaking, he had to have been an Ambrosian! The way they manage a censer is amazing, particularly so since the traditional Ambrosian censer is uncapped. No question that they give the East & Orient a run for the money.

If not a Latin, was he a Copt or Chaldean? All the East and Orient are far more talented in that department than the Latins (with the exception noted), but the Copts seem to be the most adept, followed by the Chaldeans. (I’ve not seen the Armenians or Ethiopians in “action” so-to-speak.)

He is Ruthenian

 

[RuthByzCat3]

He is Ruthenian

That wouldn’t be Fr. Jack Custer, would it? Have you seen the man with a censor? And to think he was a Roman Catholic until age 17 (btw, I’m kinda possibly a leader of his fan club)!

 

[ConstantineTG]

Can you switch Rites after being ordained?

 

[twf]

As other posters have noted, to focus only on the admittedly limited role of the deacon during the modern Latin liturgy is to miss a LOT of the other work he does, liturgical and not. Modern Latin deacons assist at mass, yes, but also preside at weddings (a function Eastern deacons are NOT permitted to perform), preside at funerals, baptize, teach catechism classes, evangelize, and carry out works of mercy…my archdiocese is just now implementing a program to foster vocations to the diaconate and these men will be a great blessing to our over worked priests.

 

[Biedrik]

Can you switch Rites after being ordained?

I’ve heard of it being possible, although I imagine that it would be incredibly difficult. Going from one diocese to another is difficult enough. The hoops that a member of the clergy would have to jump through to switch to another sui juris church would no doubt be numerous.

 

[Brendan]

I’ve heard of it being possible, although I imagine that it would be incredibly difficult.

It IS possible, but it requires the consent of the bishops of both affected dioceses\eparchies and Rome.

The approval from Rome is near automatic if both bishops agree, unless extenuating circumstances exist.

I do know of one case of a Chaldean Sub-Deacon who attends our (Latin) parish. He has attended the parish for many years. It is his desire to switch rites and pursue Diaconal ordination in the Latin Church. Bishop Ibraham (Chaldean) agreed, as did Cardinal Maida, but the Chaldean Patriarch had requested that Rome decline such transfers as the Chaldean Church is in a time of crisis right now.

So he remains a Chaldean Sub Deacon serving in a Latin Parish.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I’ve heard of it being possible, although I imagine that it would be incredibly difficult. Going from one diocese to another is difficult enough. The hoops that a member of the clergy would have to jump through to switch to another sui juris church would no doubt be numerous.

I see, the Archdiocese of Vancouver recently just launched their Permanent Deacon program. Although I haven’t really discerned if I have a calling, I did play around with the idea in my head several times. Given the RC Archdiocese has a program, it would be easier to go through the education and then ordination for it. But if I were really to pursue it, I can only imagine myself being a deacon in the Byzantine Rite.

Anyway, just asking. If it were to happen, it would be years from now.

 

[ConstantineTG]

It IS possible, but it requires the consent of the bishops of both affected dioceses\eparchies and Rome.

The approval from Rome is near automatic if both bishops agree, unless extenuating circumstances exist.

I do know of one case of a Chaldean Sub-Deacon who attends our (Latin) parish. He has attended the parish for many years. It is his desire to switch rites and pursue Diaconal ordination in the Latin Church. Bishop Ibraham (Chaldean) agreed, as did Cardinal Maida, but the Chaldean Patriarch had requested that Rome decline such transfers as the Chaldean Church is in a time of crisis right now.

So he remains a Chaldean Sub Deacon serving in a Latin Parish.

I’d agree with the Chaldean Patriarch. But I can’t see why he can’t have biritual faculties. The Chaldean priest serving our area has biritual faculties and also says the Roman Mass. I met him when he substituted for our RC pastor when said pastor went on vacation. I was trying to get him to baptize my child when he told me he was Chaldean, and didn’t know the Roman Rite for baptism.

 

[Brendan]

I’d agree with the Chaldean Patriarch. But I can’t see why he can’t have biritual faculties. The Chaldean priest serving our area has biritual faculties and also says the Roman Mass. I met him when he substituted for our RC pastor when said pastor went on vacation. I was trying to get him to baptize my child when he told me he was Chaldean, and didn’t know the Roman Rite for baptism.

He does. With the consent of both bishops, he serves in the Latin ministries of Institued Reader and Acolyte, but does so wearing the alb and stole of a Sub Deacon and is listed among the parish clergy.

 

[ConstantineTG]

He does. With the consent of both bishops, he serves in the Latin ministries of Institued Reader and Acolyte, but does so wearing the alb and stole of a Sub Deacon and is listed among the parish clergy.

I mean going forward and becoming a deacon.

 

[Little_Boy_Lost]

I have thought about the diaconate from time to time. But everyone I’ve spoken with has suggested I take a LOOOONG time to think about it. I was recently at an OCF meeting and it was really cool seeing a Deacon who was younger than 40. Mad props to him.

 

[Brendan]

I mean going forward and becoming a deacon.

That is something the Chaldean bishop did not want to do. He didn’t want to accept a Deacon that would be in effect a single ritual Latin Deacon.

He had no problems with him changing Rites, but if he was seekeing to be ordained as a Deacon in the Chaldean Church, he would be needed to serve in the Chaldean Church.

 

[ConstantineTG]

That is something the Chaldean bishop did not want to do. He didn’t want to accept a Deacon that would be in effect a single ritual Latin Deacon.

He had no problems with him changing Rites, but if he was seekeing to be ordained as a Deacon in the Chaldean Church, he would be needed to serve in the Chaldean Church.

I wonder why the priest here can do it, and this person is not allowed to do so.

 

[Brendan]

I wonder why the priest here can do it, and this person is not allowed to do so.

I doubt the priest was ordained by a Chaldean bishop specifically (and only) to serve in a Latin parish.

In quite a number of cases, bishops will grant faculties to clergy to assist in different rites, but that is additional to their regualar rite.

An example would be a Franciscian friar I know in New Mexico who has faculties to celebrate the Divine Liturgy due to a shortage of Byzantine priests in that area.

That is an example of being bi ritual. The same is probably true for the priest you mentioned. He has faculties to celebrate the Latin Mass, but that is not his normative calling.