Roman Ordo says Abstinence on All Fridays

[maryjk]

The ordo came out I think yesterday and applies only to traditional catholics. This has no affect on novus ordo catholics.

Here we go again.

This is a misconception.

There is not such thing as a “traditional” catholic and a “novus ordo” catholic in the eyes of the Church.

There are only Catholics. There is only one Code of Canon Law. The only differences occurs within the forms of the Mass were the EF does not allow for female altar servers or EMHC.

Good luck. It is like beating your head against the wall. Tradcathusa is convinced that “traditional catholic” is a different rite than “novus ordo catholics.”:banghead:

 

[TrueLight]

I’m still not sure about the reason for the Ordo. I think most traditionalists try to keep the Friday abstinence. What is the point of saying, “Okay, you can go ahead and do that.”

It was always an option anyway.

Is it to add validity?

 

[Elizium23]

I’m still not sure about the reason for the Ordo. I think most traditionalists try to keep the Friday abstinence. What is the point of saying, “Okay, you can go ahead and do that.”

It was always an option anyway.

Is it to add validity?

Since it is the Vatican Ordo, it reflects practice in the Vatican, where the regional Episcopal Conference has not abrogated the rule of universal Canon Law, which is abstinence on all Fridays. So it merely reflects the view of the law in Vatican City. Nowhere else. Other Ordos may be written based on this one, with different saints on the calendar, for different geographical regions and religious communities, and those Ordos will reflect the view of law as seen in that region or community.

 

[EcceAgnusDei]

When in Rome, do as the Romans, eh?

 

[TrueLight]

Since it is the Vatican Ordo, it reflects practice in the Vatican, where the regional Episcopal Conference has not abrogated the rule of universal Canon Law, which is abstinence on all Fridays. So it merely reflects the view of the law in Vatican City. Nowhere else. Other Ordos may be written based on this one, with different saints on the calendar, for different geographical regions and religious communities, and those Ordos will reflect the view of law as seen in that region or community.

I see. Thanks.

 

[presidentjlh]

]Something is fishy here.

Ba-dum-tish!

 

[thistle]

In the United States, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has declared that “the age of fasting is from the completion of the eighteenth year to the beginning of the sixtieth.” The USCCB also allows the substitution of some other form of penance for abstinence on all of the Fridays of the year, except for those Fridays in Lent. Thus, the rules for fasting and abstinence in the United States are:

Every person 14 years of age or older must abstain from meat (and items made with meat) on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and all the Fridays of Lent.

Every person between the age of 18 and 60 must fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

Every person 14 years of age or older must abstain from meat (and items made with meat) on all other Fridays of the year, unless he or she substitutes some other form of penance for abstinence.

Abstaining from meat is the easiest form of penance for most people, as you can see the rules did not change, unless you do some form of sincere penance you ARE to abstain from meat.

In short you can choose whatever penance to do.

 

[TrueLight]

If you don’t abstain on a particular Friday, do you have to do the penance on the Friday, or can you do the Penance the next day, for example?

 

[tradcathusa]

So many have missed the point. This ordo applies to parishes operating under the PCED,it is not for Europe. My parish here in the USA is a PCED parish (now I think the new term is CED). We actually have a decree setting us up this way The ordo DOES not apply to novus ordo parishes. This means if you are in a FSSP or Institute of Chrsit the King parish, this ordo applies to you. Please see Rorate Caeli for all the details

 

[J_Peterson]

I’m not a traditional Catholic but I don’t eat meat on Fridays. It’s not about sacrifice or anything like that. This past lent my girlfriend went along with the no meat thing with me and we both found that it was fun trying to come up with vegetarian meals once a week so we just kept doing it. Last night we had portabella burgers with french fries

 

[YoungTradCath]

So many have missed the point. This ordo applies to parishes operating under the PCED,it is not for Europe. My parish here in the USA is a PCED parish (now I think the new term is CED). We actually have a decree setting us up this way The ordo DOES not apply to novus ordo parishes. This means if you are in a FSSP or Institute of Chrsit the King parish, this ordo applies to you. Please see Rorate Caeli for all the details

Canon Law applies equally to everyone.

The particulars of this calendar apply only to the Extraordinary Form.

 

[newyorkcatholic]

I’m not a traditional Catholic but I don’t eat meat on Fridays. It’s not about sacrifice or anything like that. This past lent my girlfriend went along with the no meat thing with me and we both found that it was fun trying to come up with vegetarian meals once a week so we just kept doing it. Last night we had portabella burgers with french fries

Good for you, but why not also make it about sacrifice?

However you want, it’s not my job to tell you what kind of sacrifices to make.

Just thought we could all do with a reminder that we should make sacrifices. Myself included.

 

[J_Peterson]

Good for you, but why not also make it about sacrifice?

However you want, it’s not my job to tell you what kind of sacrifices to make.

Just thought we could all do with a reminder that we should make sacrifices. Myself included.

I guess it’s hard to see something as a sacrifice when it’s something I enjoy.

It just occurred to me, does a sacrifice have to hurt or cause discomfort? Maybe I’m misunderstanding sacrifice.

 

[newyorkcatholic]

I guess it’s hard to see something as a sacrifice when it’s something I enjoy.

It just occurred to me, does a sacrifice have to hurt or cause discomfort? Maybe I’m misunderstanding sacrifice.

It doesn’t have to be horrible … I would say that if you like meat but give it up for something else you like, or if it’s sometimes an inconvenience (because on any given Friday perhaps you don’t feel like finding a non-meat meal, because you are just too tired, or you are at a restaurant that has the best burgers) … then it’s still a mild sacrifice.

I’m just thinking out loud here.

 

[ProVobis]

If you don’t abstain on a particular Friday, do you have to do the penance on the Friday, or can you do the Penance the next day, for example?

You can do the Penance which the priest assigns you in confession the next day.

 

[TrueLight]

You can do the Penance which the priest assigns you in confession the next day.

Ha ha.

The question is not for me. Someone asked me this question yesterday. He doesn’t normally observe Friday abstinence, but I think he wants to. He stated that he had been planning to do a work of mercy anyway today and could that be applied as his penance.

So what’s the answer?

 

[ProVobis]

Ha ha.

The question is not for me. Someone asked me this question yesterday. He doesn’t normally observe Friday abstinence, but I think he wants to. He stated that he had been planning to do a work of mercy anyway today and could that be applied as his penance.

So what’s the answer?

I was joking. Truthfully I don’t know since the Canon Law just talks about Fridays (and days before Holydays, I think.)

 

[wasserfall]

I guess it’s hard to see something as a sacrifice when it’s something I enjoy.

It just occurred to me, does a sacrifice have to hurt or cause discomfort? Maybe I’m misunderstanding sacrifice.

Abstaining from meat for Friday penance doesn’t have to feel like a sacrifice. The point is that you do it for penance, even if it doesn’t feel penitential and you have a great vegetarian meal every Friday.

And if you are committed to the observance of abstinence, eventually a situation will arise on some Friday in which you will have to make a disciplined and penitential decision to observe abstinence.

 

[EcceAgnusDei]

Abstaining from meat for Friday penance doesn’t have to feel like a sacrifice. The point is that you do it for penance, even if it doesn’t feel penitential and you have a great vegetarian meal every Friday.

And if you are committed to the observance of abstinence, eventually a situation will arise on some Friday in which you will have to make a disciplined and penitential decision to observe abstinence.

By consciously changing our habits, even if it is having a yummy veggie meal, we are consciously remembering Christ. Perhaps that’s part of the point, too.

I was a strict vegetarian for 14 years (vegan for 3) and now I only eat meat rarely, so not eating meat on Friday is not really giving anything up for me. However, I do notice when it is Friday and often I consciously choose to eat seafood for that reason, even though I probably would have had a strict vegetarian meal otherwise. The choice reminds me of Christ’s suffering, and I also feel like it connects me to other Catholics now and in the past.

• PAX

 

[J_Peterson]

It doesn’t have to be horrible … I would say that if you like meat but give it up for something else you like, or if it’s sometimes an inconvenience (because on any given Friday perhaps you don’t feel like finding a non-meat meal, because you are just too tired, or you are at a restaurant that has the best burgers) … then it’s still a mild sacrifice.

I’m just thinking out loud here.

That’s a good point and has actually happened. I thought about fasting on Fridays as well. I’m trying to gain weight though so I think maybe I’ll try it once I feel my weight is where I want it.