Romans 7:13-25

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how is this reading to be understood… a protestant friend says it states we are always in sin in our flesh…that we can’t do any thing but sin…only our spirit can serve God…I don’t know how to respond to him & to be honest these versus upset me…how can a person be a sinner & in the state of Grace at the same time.
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Well, as a baptized Catholic I had the stain of Original Sin washed away.
As a human being I suffer from the DISPOSITION to concupiscience, or sin.
When I have just come from confession, I am in a state of grace. BUT. . .I still suffer from the disposition to concupiscience. (And don’t start me with actual and sanctifying grace, too. Look it up in the Catechism.)

Your friend sounds like one of those who equates “flesh” with “bad” and “spirit” with “good”. God made flesh and spirit, and when He saw what He had made, He pronounced it good. 🙂

Please don’t fall into the Luther idea of the dung heap covered in snow (justification) or “sola scriptora”–clinging to a verse in the Bible without taking it into context, or checking it out in the catechism. I think if you check it out–and here’s a link to it online-- christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/ccc.html

under the sacrament of Penance, it might help you to understand better.

In His peace and love. . .
 
The following comments on Romans 7:14-25 are from The Navarre Bible. New Testament in the Revised Standared Version with a commentary by members of the Faculty of Theology of the University of Navarre, Compact Edition. (Scepter Publishers, 2001), p. 394:

Here we have a vivid description of the interior struggle that everyone experiences, a “law”, an inclination (distinct from the Law of Moses), which is at war with the law of the Spirit (v. 23), that is, the spiritual good which God’s grace enables man to desire. The very expression “the law of sin which dwells in my members” (v. 23) emphasizes how strenuously evil desires refuse to follow the commands of our spirit. However, this “law of sin” is not irresistible. Our moral faculties are indeed impaired and they do incline us to commit sin, but that inclination is not itself a sin. “The new life received in Christian initiation has not abolished the frailty and weakness of human nature, nor is the inclination to sin that tradition calls concupiscence, which remains in the baptized such that with the help of the grace of Christ they may prove themselves in the struggle of Christian life. This is the struggle of conversion directed towards holiness and eternal life to which the Lord never ceases to call us” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1426).
 
Romans 7:1-25 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I am surprised that you cannot understand this. How long does a law have effect? Only as long as the person lives. After death it no longer applies. Hence the marriage scenario. So Paul is telling the Romans and Jewish believers that now that they are “in Christ” they are no longer subject to the law, since they have buried themselves in Christ’s death and raised to justification in Christ as He was raised from the dead. The law has no more rule over a dead person nor over one who has overcome the death. We are overcomers in Christ if we accept Him by faith.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Now you will understand what Peter is talking about Paul’s epistles being hard to understand but they are there for our learning. Christ in you, the hope of glory.
 
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