Rubbing at Christian statues and dead Jesus statues

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In my country, there’s a tradition where you rub for example, a Jesus statue then you do the sign of the cross. Also there are “dead Jesus statues” lying in Catholic churches here where people are allowed to rub on the statue’s feet, maybe you can wish to God or something after that.

Aren’t these idolatry?
 
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Idolatry is defined as the worship of a picture or object as a god.

Rubbing a “dead Christ’s” statues feet for me would be a way to tactilely feel Christ’s wounds to allow me to attach myself more closely with his sufferings.

Statues, pictures, Rosaries, churches, stained glass windows, books, prayers etc are tools to get ones heart and mind pointed in the proper direction.

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Aren’t these idolatry?
If someone believes power comes from them and they are worthy of adoration.

However, the Church acknowledges that God has revealed himself fully in Jesus and thus opening a new economy of His love portrayed through icons.

You see, it becomes a matter of the heart. We can look at a baby statue in the nativity scene and become lifted to the holy moment when God became man.

Or if we just rub a statue of Mary and presume Christ blesses us without a sincere prayer and obedience to His commands, then we have no mother in her and our gesture is sacreligous.
 
This is a question that can be answered two ways; it can be an aid to our prayers, just as a rosary is (and most people have their rosary blessed). There are some who would not say a rosary if the beads were not in their hands. Nevertheless, it is not a requirement.

It also can, because of poor or non-existent catechesis on the matter, devolve not to idolatry, but rather to superstition; the feeling or thought that if one rubs, then the prayer will be answered; or that one, by rubbing, can somehow constrain and direct God.

Bottom line: God judges, we don’t. Often we presume to be able to, but we do not have the ability to judge another’s heart.
 
I never heard of such a thing. Instead I thought of grave and tombstone rubbings with charcoal to make a type of copy.

And then I remembered living in Springfield Illinois where people at Abe Lincoln’s tomb rub the noses of Lincoln, keeping them very shiny.

But rubbing church statues and considering it “idolatry” never even crossed my mind. I associate idolatry more with Protestants and their hyper reverence toward the paper and ink of the bible.

I was raised in a fundamentalist/Masonic family before I converted and I well remember my granpa telling me to never set another book on the bible. As if the ‘magic’ might escape :eek:
 
It also can, because of poor or non-existent catechesis on the matter, devolve not to idolatry, but rather to superstition; the feeling or thought that if one rubs, then the prayer will be answered; or that one, by rubbing, can somehow constrain and direct God.
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Does it happens in other countries? Maybe it’s a homegrown superstition.
 
In my country, there’s a tradition where you rub for example, a Jesus statue then you do the sign of the cross. Also there are “dead Jesus statues” lying in Catholic churches here where people are allowed to rub on the statue’s feet, maybe you can wish to God or something after that.

Aren’t these idolatry?
God desires our worship of Him to be immersive. In our adoration of God, we use our hands, our knees, our ears, our lips, our smell, our vision, our tactile senses, and even our ability to consume. We have musicians, orators, and artists. We have tiny forest shrines and towering cathedrals. We have fine velum Bibles written in luminescent manuscript and Rosaries made of olive wood and ivory. We have framed portraits of the Blessed Mother, crystal chalices, stained-glass windows, and marble statues. God is not a minimalist; quite the opposite, he is a God of excess and plenty. He isn’t content to impress us. He wants to overwhelm us and leave us awestruck in His majesty. Although all of these things are meaningless if they are not done with a heart of charity, all of them are in themselves holy expressions of our love. It can never be a bad thing to use our senses to further our falling in love with God, because that is why we have senses to begin with.
 
I never heard of such a thing. Instead I thought of grave and tombstone rubbings with charcoal to make a type of copy.

And then I remembered living in Springfield Illinois where people at Abe Lincoln’s tomb rub the noses of Lincoln, keeping them very shiny.

But rubbing church statues and considering it “idolatry” never even crossed my mind. I associate idolatry more with Protestants and their hyper reverence toward the paper and ink of the bible.

I was raised in a fundamentalist/Masonic family before I converted and I well remember my granpa telling me to never set another book on the bible. As if the ‘magic’ might escape :eek:
regarding your last paragraph, I don’t know how mass is in your Church but in the Catholic Church, there is a procession and a Deacon actually caries in a book of the Gospels in an elevated position. It’s a very ornate book and after the gospel is read at mass, the priest or the deacon will kiss the gospel. Then, in our church, the ornate book of the gospels is moved to an ornate stand.

Paper and ink are not important but the word of God is. Often, these books filled with those words are treated with great respect.
 
In my country, there’s a tradition where you rub for example, a Jesus statue then you do the sign of the cross. Also there are “dead Jesus statues” lying in Catholic churches here where people are allowed to rub on the statue’s feet,.
What do you mean by “dead Jesus statues”? Do you also have “live Jesus statues”?
 
regarding your last paragraph, I don’t know how mass is in your Church but in the Catholic Church, there is a procession and a Deacon actually caries in a book of the Gospels in an elevated position. It’s a very ornate book and after the gospel is read at mass, the priest or the deacon will kiss the gospel. Then, in our church, the ornate book of the gospels is moved to an ornate stand.

Paper and ink are not important but the word of God is. Often, these books filled with those words are treated with great respect.
Yes in the Orthodox church the book of Gospels is processed around the whole church, censed every Sunday not only on special occasions. The book of Gospels is even kissed. It is bound in silver and gold.

The Word of God is Jesus the Logos (see John chap 1). It is not the bible. Did the bible exist before all things, did the bible create all things?
 
I personally have never seen a statue of the deceased Jesus anywhere, but that does not mean they don’t exist outside my frame of reference.

But I have seen in a convent chapel a wax figure of a saint that has a major relic enclosed in it. I think it is of Saint Felicity? But you can’t touch the statue/wax figure since it is in a glass coffin.

In the Orthodox church their is an Icon called a “burial shroud” that has the image of the deceased Jesus on it. This cloth Icon is used only on Good and Holy Friday and Holy Saturday. it is treated with the utmost reverence.
 
I personally have never seen a statue of the deceased Jesus anywhere, but that does not mean they don’t exist outside my frame of reference.

But I have seen in a convent chapel a wax figure of a saint that has a major relic enclosed in it. I think it is of Saint Felicity? But you can’t touch the statue/wax figure since it is in a glass coffin.

In the Orthodox church their is an Icon called a “burial shroud” that has the image of the deceased Jesus on it. This cloth Icon is used only on Good and Holy Friday and Holy Saturday. it is treated with the utmost reverence.
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I personally have never seen a statue of the deceased Jesus anywhere, but that does not mean they don’t exist outside my frame of reference.
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there are “dead Jesus statues” lying in Catholic churches here where people are allowed to rub on the statue’s feet?
What do you mean by “dead Jesus statues”? Do you also have “live Jesus statues”?
 
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