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twiztedseraph
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What are the mormon sacramental formulaes?
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amgid
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The main sacramental expressions, that of partaking of the emblems of the flesh and blood of Christ, and also the baptismal formula, are contained in Section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants, as follows:
D&C 20:
72 Baptism is to be administered in the following manner unto all those who repent–
73 The person who is called of God and has authority from Jesus Christ to baptize, shall go down into the water with the person who has presented himself or herself for baptism, and shall say, calling him or her by name: Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
74 Then shall he immerse him or her in the water, and come forth again out of the water.
75 It is expedient that the church meet together often to partake of bread and wine in the remembrance of the Lord Jesus;
76 And the elder or priest shall administer it; and after this manner shall he administer it–he shall kneel with the church and call upon the Father in solemn prayer, saying:
77 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it, that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them; that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
78 The manner of administering the wine–he shall take the cup also, and say:
79 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
Most other sacramental ordinances, such as ordinations to the various offices of the priesthood for example, do not have a fixed wording, but have (loosely) a set pattern that should be followed.
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Brain
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wine? i thought mormons used water because they cannot drink?
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twiztedseraph
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Yea, me thought wine was banned?
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PaulDupre
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Now they substitute “water” for “wine”.
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amgid
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The use of wine was discontinued later in the Church when the Lord commanded the Saints not to purchase wine of their enemies. They used water instead, and that practice has continued ever since. The following quote includes an extract from the explanatory heading to the section (typed in italics):
D&C 27:
In preparation for a religious service at which the sacrament of bread and wine was to be administered, Joseph set out to procure wine for the occasion. He was met by a heavenly messenger and received this revelation,…
2 For, behold, I say unto you, that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory–remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins.
3 Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, that you shall not purchase wine neither strong drink of your enemies;
4 Wherefore, you shall partake of none except it is made new among you; yea, in this my Father’s kingdom which shall be built up on the earth.
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majick275
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Just for clarification (since that scripture says to use only wine that they themselves made) where in the standard works of the LDS church does it direct the use of water? (or is that just a “custom” and the use of any potable liquid is okay?)
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catholic-rcia
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77 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it, that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them; that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
78 The manner of administering the wine–he shall take the cup also, and say:
79 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
**Here it is at the Mass: **
http://catholic-rcia.com/pages/Order_of_the_Mass.html****
My favorite words during the Mass are:
Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the words and shall be healed”
Before he was given up to death, a death he freely accepted, he took bread and gave you thanks, He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said:
Take this, all of you, and eat it; this is my body which will be given up for you.
When the supper was ended, he took the cup. Again he gave you thanks and praise, gave the cup to his disciples, and said:
Take this, all of you, and drink from it; this is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of me.
Let us proclaim the mystery of faith:
In memory of his death and resurrection, we offer you, Father, this life-giving bread, this saving cup. We thank you for counting us worthy to stand in your presence and serve you. May all of us who share in the body and blood of Christ be brought together in unity by the Holy Spirit.
Lord, remember your Church throughout the world; make us grow in love, together with John Paul our Pope, {name} our bishop, and all the clergy. Remember our brothers and sisters who have gone to their rest in the hope of rising again; bring them and all the departed into the light of your presence. Have mercy on us all; make us worthy to share eternal life with Mary, the virgin Mother of God, with the apostles, and with all the saints who have done your will throughout the ages. May we praise you in union with them, and give you glory through your Son, Jesus Christ.
Through him, with him, in him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is yours, almighty Father, for ever and ever. Amen.
78 The manner of administering the wine–he shall take the cup also, and say:
79 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
**Here it is at the Mass: **
http://catholic-rcia.com/pages/Order_of_the_Mass.html****
My favorite words during the Mass are:
Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the words and shall be healed”
Before he was given up to death, a death he freely accepted, he took bread and gave you thanks, He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said:
Take this, all of you, and eat it; this is my body which will be given up for you.
When the supper was ended, he took the cup. Again he gave you thanks and praise, gave the cup to his disciples, and said:
Take this, all of you, and drink from it; this is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of me.
Let us proclaim the mystery of faith:
In memory of his death and resurrection, we offer you, Father, this life-giving bread, this saving cup. We thank you for counting us worthy to stand in your presence and serve you. May all of us who share in the body and blood of Christ be brought together in unity by the Holy Spirit.
Lord, remember your Church throughout the world; make us grow in love, together with John Paul our Pope, {name} our bishop, and all the clergy. Remember our brothers and sisters who have gone to their rest in the hope of rising again; bring them and all the departed into the light of your presence. Have mercy on us all; make us worthy to share eternal life with Mary, the virgin Mother of God, with the apostles, and with all the saints who have done your will throughout the ages. May we praise you in union with them, and give you glory through your Son, Jesus Christ.
Through him, with him, in him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is yours, almighty Father, for ever and ever. Amen.
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TonyYL
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I have a quick question regarding the formula for the LDS sacrament:
76 And the elder or priest shall administer it; and after this manner shall he administer it–**he shall kneel with the church ** and call upon the Father in solemn prayer, saying: D&C 20:76
I have been to an LDS sacrament meeting several times in different locations-- always only the elders kneels during this prayer, not the congregation! Is this usual practice for Mormons everywhere, or are the LDS wards in my area doing this wrong?
76 And the elder or priest shall administer it; and after this manner shall he administer it–**he shall kneel with the church ** and call upon the Father in solemn prayer, saying: D&C 20:76
I have been to an LDS sacrament meeting several times in different locations-- always only the elders kneels during this prayer, not the congregation! Is this usual practice for Mormons everywhere, or are the LDS wards in my area doing this wrong?
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mormon_fool
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No they are doing right. One has to remember that only the First Presidency can officially interpret scripture. Yes, we know what it means and things have changed. But one has to look at the relationship of the sciptures and the First Presidency like the Constitution is to the Supreme Court. Hence wine changed to water in the LDS “sacrament”, and harmful drugs are proscribed in the Word of Wisdom; even if that is not explicitly in the original documents.
The procedure appears to have been changed because of practical considerations.
“I want to speak of one or two little things that have been brought to my mind here and at other places, which may be profitable to some of us. I would like to call the attention of the congregation, especially of the Bishops, to the mode of administering the sacrament. The book of Doctrine and Covenants teaches us that the Elder or Priest who administers the sacrament ‘shall kneel with the Church.’ Of course, it is quite difficult, and probably inappropriate, for a whole congregation to kneel while the blessing is being asked upon the bread and upon the water. The confusion and noise incident to kneeling and rising again would be inappropriate. Besides, the construction of our meeting houses, and the size of the congregations generally, would make that practice rather impracticable.” (Collected Discourses, Vol. 3, Joseph F. Smith, July 16, 1893)
“And the elder or priest shall administer it; and after this manner shall he administer it—he shall kneel, with the church” [It does not say that the church must kneel, but he shall kneel with the Church] “and call upon the Father in solemn prayer, saying—” (*Conference Report, April 1908, *Heber J. Grant p. 36-37)
“He shall kneel with the Church [or, to express it in other words, in the presence of the Church] and call upon the Father in solemn prayer, saying:” (Restoration of the True Sacrament Rite *in Gospel through the Ages *Milton Hunter p. 241)
Does that help?
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amgid
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It says, “it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament”. That is clear enough. It means that the Lord doesn’t care what we use. If we were caught in the middle of a desert storm, and wanted to administer the sacrament, and the only thing we had was corn flakes and orange juice, then we could use those. We use water I suppose because it is the most commonly available form of liquid, and it is also one that in some sense could be regarded as the purest form of liquid, hence the most “appropriate”. It is also desirable to have uniformity in the Church. It wouldn’t seem appropriate for each ward to in the Church to use something different. It is a “policy” I am sure. If a ward somewhere wanted to use some other drink, without a good reason, I am sure it would not be approved.
You could call it a “custom” I guess. Under necessity any suitable drink could be used.
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TonyYL
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That answers the question.
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