Sacraments that are specific to sui iuris church

[Monica4316]

I had another question… Which Sacraments could only be given by a priest or Bishop of the same sui iuris church as yourself? Is something like Last Rites one of them? What happens if a person is dying and there is only a Latin rite priest? Thanks

 

[RyanBlack]

Confession and anointing of the sick can be received from a priest of any sui iuris church.

 

[frizzgrig]

Any of the churches in communion with the Roman Pontiff have valid and licit sacraments for any Catholic. The rules for licit sacraments vary a bit between the latin and eastern churches.

Even an Orthodox church has sacraments that are valid (any church that has valid apostolic succession recognized by the Catholic Church has valid sacraments) - though there are different rules for Catholics seeking sacraments in absence of a Catholic minister.

 

[Monica4316]

I agree all Catholic Churches have valid Sacraments…

my question is based on how I was told that though I can receive Penance and Communion Sacraments in any Catholic Church, certain ones you can only receive in your sui iuris church. I was wondering which those are… I’m aware of Holy Orders being one of them, but since I’m female that doesn’t concern me. I’m wondering about the other ones

 

[Monica4316]

Also, regarding religious life… it says in this encyclical:

IV.It is not lawful for any Latin rite Order or Religious Institute for either gender to receive into their society anyone of an Eastern rite who will not have first presented testimonial letters of his own Ordinary.

papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13orient.htm

But what if you’re Russian Catholic and your Ordinary IS the Latin rite Bishop?

can an Eastern Catholic join a Latin religious order?

 

[FrDavid96]

I agree all Catholic Churches have valid Sacraments…

my question is based on how I was told that though I can receive Penance and Communion Sacraments in any Catholic Church, certain ones you can only receive in your sui iuris church. I was wondering which those are… I’m aware of Holy Orders being one of them, but since I’m female that doesn’t concern me. I’m wondering about the other ones

Confirmation / Chrismation requires jurisdiction to be licit (when administered by any bishop or any Eastern priest, it’s always valid).

Marriage also requires that the officiant have jurisdiction for it to be valid. There are all kinds of “if this then that…” scenarios when it comes to marriage (for example, if both parties are Eastern or if 1 is Eastern 1 is Latin, etc…) so this can get complicated; but the point is that sometimes it can make a difference because again, the officiant must have jurisdiction either direct or delegated.

 

[Monica4316]

Thank you! I forgot about Confirmation/Chrismation… If I understand then, Last Rites don’t apply and that could be done by any priest?

 

[frizzgrig]

Also, regarding religious life… it says in this encyclical:

IV.It is not lawful for any Latin rite Order or Religious Institute for either gender to receive into their society anyone of an Eastern rite who will not have first presented testimonial letters of his own Ordinary.

papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13orient.htm

But what if you’re Russian Catholic and your Ordinary IS the Latin rite Bishop?

can an Eastern Catholic join a Latin religious order?

This just requires an Easter Rite Catholic to have permission from their bishop to join a Latin Rite society. It does not prohibit it.

For your example - a Russian who is Catholic whose ordinary is the Latin rite bishop would be a Latin rite Catholic so it would not be required to get such extra permission. If your Russian is really a Russian Greek Catholic (Byzantine Rite Catholic) who attends Latin services because the nearest Byzantine rite church is too far away - they would need to get permission from their proper ordinary, not the local Latin rite bishop.

 

[Monica4316]

Thanks… However I was told I’m still Russian Catholic even if my Bishop is Latin. Russian Catholics don’t have their own hierarchy and they are all under the care of the Latin Ordinary automatically, except if he assigned them to another Bishop.

 

[SyroMalankara]

In the case that you mention, you are Russian Catholic under the care of a Latin bishop, since it would be redundant to ask himself permission, your Latin bishop who is the guardian of your Russian parish would be the one to ask

 

[Vico]

Thank you! I forgot about Confirmation/Chrismation… If I understand then, Last Rites don’t apply and that could be done by any priest?

Marriage celebration, for an eastern Catholic, is not valid without the witness of a priest, except for the unusual circumstance of no priest available for a month. There are several additional impediments: spiritual relationship (CCEO 811), abduction of either spouse (CCEO 806), affinity with brothers or sisters of the former spouse (CCEO 809), and public propriety (CCEO 810).

Also for anointing of the sick:CCEO 737.2. In the Churches in which it is the custom that the sacrament of anointing of the sick be administered by several priests, it should be seen to inasmuch as it is possible that this custom is preserved.

CCEO Canon 739

1. All priests, and only priests, validly administer the anointing of the sick.
2. The administration of the anointing of the sick belongs to the pastor, parochial vicar and to all other priests for those persons committed to their care in virtue of their office; any priest can licitly administer this sacrament with at least the presumed permission of those mentioned, indeed, in case of necessity he must do so.

 

[adamhovey1988]

I had another question… Which Sacraments could only be given by a priest or Bishop of the same sui iuris church as yourself? Is something like Last Rites one of them? What happens if a person is dying and there is only a Latin rite priest? Thanks

All Catholic Churches, whether Eastern or Latin, have all seven Sacraments as valid. I am a Latin, and I have been to a Melkite Priest for confession, as well as received or Lord at a Melkite Divine Liturgy. I imagine that their other five sacraments would be valid as well. (That, or I was lied to)

 

[FrDavid96]

All Catholic Churches, whether Eastern or Latin, have all seven Sacraments as valid. I am a Latin, and I have been to a Melkite Priest for confession, as well as received or Lord at a Melkite Divine Liturgy. I imagine that their other five sacraments would be valid as well. (That, or I was lied to)

That’s certainly true. The Sacraments are valid in the Eastern Churches.

However, when it comes to an individual act, there are times when the minister must have some jurisdiction in order for that particular event to be a valid Sacrament.

For example, if I were to travel outside my home diocese and attempt to officiate at someone’s wedding, that would only be a valid sacrament if I have proper jurisdiction (delegated to me) to do it. It would be valid if I were in my own parish church. That’s similar to what the OP is asking. If two Melkites want to get married in my parish church (Latin) I cannot just officiate at the ceremony. First and foremost I need delegation from their proper pastor, or it will not be a valid marriage. Same in reverse. If two Latins approach a Melkite priest and ask him to marry them in his parish church, it would not be a valid marriage (w/o delegation etc.) even though he can marry 2 Melkite parishioners with no hesitation.

The Eastern Churches have valid Sacraments. There’s no doubt about it. However, the OP is asking about specific times when an attempt might not be valid.

 

[Monica4316]

Marriage celebration, for an eastern Catholic, is not valid without the witness of a priest, except for the unusual circumstance of no priest available for a month. There are several additional impediments: spiritual relationship (CCEO 811), abduction of either spouse (CCEO 806), affinity with brothers or sisters of the former spouse (CCEO 809), and public propriety (CCEO 810).

Also for anointing of the sick:CCEO 737.2. In the Churches in which it is the custom that the sacrament of anointing of the sick be administered by several priests, it should be seen to inasmuch as it is possible that this custom is preserved.

CCEO Canon 739

1. All priests, and only priests, validly administer the anointing of the sick.
2. The administration of the anointing of the sick belongs to the pastor, parochial vicar and to all other priests for those persons committed to their care in virtue of their office; any priest can licitly administer this sacrament with at least the presumed permission of these mentioned, indeed, in case of necessity he must do so.

Thank you for the replies! So if I understand for the anointing of the sick any priest can do it… What about funerals?

 

[Monica4316]

That’s certainly true. The Sacraments are valid in the Eastern Churches.

However, when it comes to an individual act, there are times when the minister must have some jurisdiction in order for that particular event to be a valid Sacrament.

For example, if I were to travel outside my home diocese and attempt to officiate at someone’s wedding, that would only be a valid sacrament if I have proper jurisdiction (delegated to me) to do it. It would be valid if I were in my own parish church. That’s similar to what the OP is asking. If two Melkites want to get married in my parish church (Latin) I cannot just officiate at the ceremony. First and foremost I need delegation from their proper pastor, or it will not be a valid marriage. Same in reverse. If two Latins approach a Melkite priest and ask him to marry them in his parish church, it would not be a valid marriage (w/o delegation etc.) even though he can marry 2 Melkite parishioners with no hesitation.

The Eastern Churches have valid Sacraments. There’s no doubt about it. However, the OP is asking about specific times when an attempt might not be valid.

Yes, that was exactly my question, thank you Fr David

 

[Vico]

Thank you for the replies! So if I understand for the anointing of the sick any priest can do it… What about funerals?

Yes, there are differences in funeral norms between the sui iuris churches.

No catholic funeral if it would cause scandal from the unrepentent (CCEO 877), or if cremation would cause scandal or “obscure the preference of the church” (CCEO 876.3)CCEO Canon 290

1. In all juridic affairs the pastor represents the person of the parish.
2. Sacred functions of greater importance, such as the celebration of the sacraments of Christian initiation, the blessing of marriages, without prejudice to can. 302, 2, the ecclesiastical funeral rites, belong to the pastor; therefore, parochial vicars are not allowed to carry them out except by permission, at least presumed, of the pastor himself.

 

[Monica4316]

I see! I’m specifically wondering if for someone who is Eastern rite can a Latin rite priest do their funeral Requiem Mass?

 

[Vico]

I see! I’m specifically wondering if for someone who is Eastern rite can a Latin rite priest do their funeral Requiem Mass?

The pastor owns it.CCEO Canon 38
Christian faithful of Eastern Churches even if committed to the care of a hierarch or pastor of another Church sui iuris, nevertheless remain enrolled in their own Church.

CCEO Canon 916
4. If there is no pastor for the Christian faithful of a certain Church sui iuris, the eparchial bishop of these people can appoint the pastor of another Church sui iuris to look after them as their proper pastor, but with the consent of the eparchial bishop of the pastor who is to be appointed.
5. In places where no exarchy has been constituted for the Christian faithful of a certain Church sui iuris, the hierarch of another Church sui iuris, even the Latin Church, of the place is to be considered the proper hierarch of these faithful, with due regard for the prescription of can. 101; …

 

[FrDavid96]

I see! I’m specifically wondering if for someone who is Eastern rite can a Latin rite priest do their funeral Requiem Mass?

It “should not” be done that way. Funerals must generally be done in the parish church of the deceased (or if the death occurred far away and transportation is difficult, then in the parish where the person died).

The answer to your question is that he might be able to do it. It would be an exception, and one that would probably be easily granted; but not guaranteed.

Yes, it’s possible. It just depends on the specific circumstances and on the people involved. It would involve asking for exceptions, and if those are not given then it cannot happen.

 

[Monica4316]

Thank you! I was specifically wondering if someone is Russian Catholic and doesn’t have a Bishop of their rite or a parish and is under the care of the Latin Ordinary, and attends a Latin parish… If when the time comes they could have a funeral in the Latin parish.