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Sacrosanctum Concilium makes reference of the need to “restore” the Sacred Liturgy. During Vatican II, the Latin Rite celebrated the Tridentine Mass according to the Missal of Bl John XXIII. Therefore, it is obvious that the Council Fathers wanted to restore the Tridentine Mass to something more ancient as a restoration implies a return to something earlier. I want to know what the Council Fathers meant by this?
Here is a quotation from Sacrosanctum Concilium that shows the call for the “restoration” of the Liturgy:
The Apostolic Constitution of Pope St Pius V entitled “Quo Primum,” also makes reference to the need to restore the Sacred Liturgy. The result of this restoration was the Tridentine Mass. Here is a quote from Quo Primum:
As I have said, I am assuming that the Novus Ordo Missae is the fruit of Vatican II. I am assuming that this Mass was promulgated in order to implement the Constitution of the Sacred Liturgy? However, is this what the Council Fathers wanted?
What is the real Mass of Vatican II?
Personally, I don’t believe that it is the Mass of Paul VI. I don’t believe that the Council Fathers had this Mass in mind when they wrote Sacrosanctum Concilium. The reforms of Sacrosanctum Concilium could have been implemented in the Tridentine Mass. Sacrosanctum Concilium’s recommendation for more scripture would have been possible within the Tridentine Mass as would more vernacular where required.
What are your thoughts? What did the Council Fathers mean by the restoration of the Liturgy? Is the Novus Ordo this restoration? If the Tridentine Mass is the original Mass of the holy Fathers, how could it be restored? What is the real Mass of Vatican II?
Here is a quotation from Sacrosanctum Concilium that shows the call for the “restoration” of the Liturgy:
III. The Reform of the Sacred Liturgy
- In order that the Christian people may more certainly derive an abundance of graces from the sacred liturgy, holy Mother Church desires to undertake with great care a general restoration of the liturgy itself. For the liturgy is made up of immutable elements divinely instituted, and of elements subject to change. These not only may but ought to be changed with the passage of time if they have suffered from the intrusion of anything out of harmony with the inner nature of the liturgy or have become unsuited to it.
I am assuming that the Mass of Paul VI is the fruit of this restoration because this is the Mass that came after the Second Vatican Council. Is the Novus Ordo Missae in some way more ancient than the Tridentine Mass?In this restoration, both texts and rites should be drawn up so that they express more clearly the holy things which they signify; the Christian people, so far as possible, should be enabled to understand them with ease and to take part in them fully, actively, and as befits a community.
The Apostolic Constitution of Pope St Pius V entitled “Quo Primum,” also makes reference to the need to restore the Sacred Liturgy. The result of this restoration was the Tridentine Mass. Here is a quote from Quo Primum:
Both the Tridentine Mass and the Mass of Paul VI claim to be restorations of the Sacred Liturgy. Pope St Pius V claimed that his Mass was “the original form and rite of the holy Fathers.” However, Sacrosanctum Concilium stated that the Mass needed to be restored to something more ancient. If the Tridentine Mass was the “original form and rite of the holy Fathers” why would it need to be restored? What could it be restored to? The Tridentine Mass itself was a restoration of the Liturgy.We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus **they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. **When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses.
As I have said, I am assuming that the Novus Ordo Missae is the fruit of Vatican II. I am assuming that this Mass was promulgated in order to implement the Constitution of the Sacred Liturgy? However, is this what the Council Fathers wanted?
What is the real Mass of Vatican II?
Personally, I don’t believe that it is the Mass of Paul VI. I don’t believe that the Council Fathers had this Mass in mind when they wrote Sacrosanctum Concilium. The reforms of Sacrosanctum Concilium could have been implemented in the Tridentine Mass. Sacrosanctum Concilium’s recommendation for more scripture would have been possible within the Tridentine Mass as would more vernacular where required.
What are your thoughts? What did the Council Fathers mean by the restoration of the Liturgy? Is the Novus Ordo this restoration? If the Tridentine Mass is the original Mass of the holy Fathers, how could it be restored? What is the real Mass of Vatican II?