Salvation?

[James_Tyler]

Can a claim be made to salvation from sin if one continues to sin? I know that it is taught that Jesus came to pay for sins, and save us from the wrath of God. Ok, so God saved us from God according to that teaching. But what about salvation from sin? Doesn’t God say he will separate you from your sin like east from west? But if you still sin, can you claim that God did that for you? If you still sin can you claim that God saved you from sin or do you only claim that God saved you from his own wrath?

Is anyone here saved from all their sins? Or are you saying you are just saved from all the punishment for your sinning? Sorry i know that was repetitive.

 

[Bonnie]

C Doesn’t God say he will separate you from your sin like east from west?

I think you’re misquoting a verse. Could you find it & post it here?

 

[Genesis315]

We can say we are saved from our sins at Baptism, because all our past sins are forgiven and we are given recourse to have future sins forgiven through access to the other sacraments.

We are also continually being saved from our sins by both resisting them with the help of grace and having them forgiven when we repent after committing them.

We will definitively be saved from our sins if we finish the race in the grace of God. We may fall along the way, but as long as we keep getting up and don’t stay down we will finish it and be definitively saved.

 

[James_Tyler]

I think you’re misquoting a verse. Could you find it & post it here?

Psalm 103:11-12
For as high as the heavens are above the earth, So great is His loving kindness toward those who fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

 

[James_Tyler]

We can say we are saved from our sins at Baptism, because all our past sins are forgiven and we are given recourse to have future sins forgiven through access to the other sacraments.

We are also continually being saved from our sins by both resisting them with the help of grace and having them forgiven when we repent after committing them.

We will definitively be saved from our sins if we finish the race in the grace of God. We may fall along the way, but as long as we keep getting up and don’t stay down we will finish it and be definitively saved.

So when it is said one is saved from sins, it’s not meant that one stops sinning, but rather, one needs not fear punishment because they are forgiven. So actually we are saved from God’s wrath. Is that right? I get that it might not be so simple. Maybe it is both but to cease from sinning takes something on our part, like the will to do it, or at least to accept God’s leadership. Transformation might be slow depending on the person.

 

[eazyduzit]

So when it is said one is saved from sins, it’s not meant that one stops sinning, but rather, one needs not fear punishment because they are forgiven. So actually we are saved from God’s wrath. Is that right? I get that it might not be so simple. Maybe it is both but to cease from sinning takes something on our part, like the will to do it, or at least to accept God’s leadership. Transformation might be slow depending on the person.

Yes, right on JT. We aren’t saved from sins, but actually saved from God. But we are also saved FOR God in the sense that we are set aside or reserved for Him. The word “salvation” means to be healed or made whole.

 

[Divine3]

Yes, right on JT. We aren’t saved from sins, but actually saved from God. But we are also saved FOR God in the sense that we are set aside or reserved for Him. The word “salvation” means to be healed or made whole.

Saved from God’s justice and he is justice and mercy but we can not be one and the other at the same time. To think that he came to save us by becoming one of his own creation (incarnation) is beyond the beyond. “Saved for God” great quote to have posted somewhere or on a bumper sticker. Thanks

 

[Cathoholic]

James_Tyler. You asked:

So when it is said one is saved from sins, it’s not meant that one stops sinning, but rather, one needs not fear punishment because they are forgiven. So actually we are saved from God’s wrath. Is that right?

That’s a partial truth.

When I was a youth, they would teach this kind of thing (salvation merely being reduced down to being saved from God’s wrath) in Baptist Sunday School.

If salvation gets reduced down to this, we can be viewing salvation in a legalistic manner.

Salvation is much MORE than being “saved from God’s wrath.”

If you’d like, I’d be happy to expound on this concept somewhat. Your call.

God bless.

Cathoholic

 

[fhansen]

Can a claim be made to salvation from sin if one continues to sin? I know that it is taught that Jesus came to pay for sins, and save us from the wrath of God. Ok, so God saved us from God according to that teaching. But what about salvation from sin? Doesn’t God say he will separate you from your sin like east from west? But if you still sin, can you claim that God did that for you? If you still sin can you claim that God saved you from sin or do you only claim that God saved you from his own wrath?

Is anyone here saved from all their sins? Or are you saying you are just saved from all the punishment for your sinning? Sorry i know that was repetitive.

We’re not saved from Gods wrath; we’re saved from being lost, separated from our Creator, with all the consequences that involves. Once we’re “found” by obtaining the knowledge of God, the result is faith in Him, God and man are reconciled. Jesus accomplishes this; He shows us the true face of the Father, by every word and deed of His, including His passion, sacrificial death and resurrection, all revealing Gods immense love for man. .Now man and God may commune, as was always meant to be, and we can become malleable clay in His hands as He does a work in us, unto salvation, fulfilling the New Covenant promises. This is a process, of our being transformed into His image as we cooperate with grace.

 

[inocente]

Psalm 103:11-12
For as high as the heavens are above the earth, So great is His loving kindness toward those who fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

It means that when we ask, He forgives our past sins, and forgives so completely that they are infinitely far removed from us. It’s a message of hope, of redemption, we’re not doomed to repeat the past, it’s never too late to make a break and start over, be born again. As in Isaiah 38, “You have preserved my life / from the pit of destruction; / Behind your back / you cast all my sins”.

And it means that as long as we don’t take advantage (that’s the fear bit), He will forgive us when we sin again, for he knows none of us is perfect and never gives up on us.

 

[Vico]

Can a claim be made to salvation from sin if one continues to sin? I know that it is taught that Jesus came to pay for sins, and save us from the wrath of God. Ok, so God saved us from God according to that teaching. But what about salvation from sin? Doesn’t God say he will separate you from your sin like east from west? But if you still sin, can you claim that God did that for you? If you still sin can you claim that God saved you from sin or do you only claim that God saved you from his own wrath?

Is anyone here saved from all their sins? Or are you saying you are just saved from all the punishment for your sinning? Sorry i know that was repetitive.

Salvation is only determined at death in the particular judgement. There is the assumption that one will remain in the state of grace after justification, until death, when saying “I am saved”.

 

[ALoveDivine]

I think the Eastern perspective is illuminating on this topic. God didn’t plan to simply deliver us from his wrath, but rather to bring us freely into the fullness of communion with himself, to make us partakers of the divine nature. God became man that man might become God, or, that we might become by grace what God is by nature. The whole point of salvation is Theosis, becoming partakers of the divine nature, sharing in the divine life of the Holy Trinity.

With this perspective in mind, salvation is not primarily about being delivered from Hell, but rather about transcending our fallen nature by grace and becoming partakers of the divine nature, sharing in the life of God. So salvation is a process whereby, through the power of God, we shed our fallen nature and come to share in his divine nature, beginning in this life and continuing into the next, so as to ultimately share in God’s divine life.

So salvation involves BOTH deliverance from Hell and deliverance from sin. To use an old protestant expression, God saves us from the consequence, power, and presence of sin. With this all in mind, we see that Catholic faith is not primarily a kind of moralism, as it is often made out to be, but rather a highly mystical journey of transfiguration, of fallen flesh putting on divinity by grace.

 

[Divine3]

I think the Eastern perspective is illuminating on this topic. God didn’t plan to simply deliver us from his wrath, but rather to bring us freely into the fullness of communion with himself, to make us partakers of the divine nature. God became man that man might become God, or, that we might become by grace what God is by nature. The whole point of salvation is Theosis, becoming partakers of the divine nature, sharing in the divine life of the Holy Trinity.

With this perspective in mind, salvation is not primarily about being delivered from Hell, but rather about transcending our fallen nature by grace and becoming partakers of the divine nature, sharing in the life of God. So salvation is a process whereby, through the power of God, we shed our fallen nature and come to share in his divine nature, beginning in this life and continuing into the next, so as to ultimately share in God’s divine life.

So salvation involves BOTH deliverance from Hell and deliverance from sin. To use an old protestant expression, God saves us from the consequence, power, and presence of sin. With this all in mind, we see that Catholic faith is not primarily a kind of moralism, as it is often made out to be, but rather a highly mystical journey of transfiguration, of fallen flesh putting on divinity by grace.

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