"Samson, the Philistines are upon you."

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I want to talk about the story of Samson, specifically the part featuring Delilah. So, Samson falls in love with Delilah. The rulers of the Philistines bribe her to trick her husband to reveal the source of his strength. She outright asks him what that source is:
Judges 16:6
So Delilah said to Samson, “Tell me the secret of your great strength and how you can be tied up and subdued.”
He tells her that if he’s tied up by seven fresh bowstrings that have not been dried that he will have the strength of a normal man. She gets the bowstrings and ties him up. Several men hide in the room, then Delilah shouts, “Samson, the Philistines are upon you!” He gets up and breaks the bowstrings.

Now let’s ponder what Samson is thinking. He made up a way to be subdued and only told it to his wife. Even a half-wit would know that his wife was guilty. But no, she complains that she was made to look like a fool. Like a fool in front of the Philistines? Instead of calling her on it he tells her another lie, that if he is tied up with new ropes he will lose his strength. The Philistines already know that won’t work because they tried new ropes on him in the previous chapter when he was in the cave. Still, while he sleeps Delilah ties him up with new ropes and again shouts, “Samson, the Philistines are upon you!” Again he breaks free.

We now have two instances where Samson gives a unique (made-up) weakness to his wife and she clearly passed it onto the dreaded Philistines. Again, neither of the two main parties act remotely human. She complains about being made a fool and he gives her another false weakness. This time it’s putting his several braids through a loom and tying it with a pin. Now, have a super-strong character’s main weakness being a rock from his blown-up planet doesn’t seem so stupid. For a third time Delilah ties him in his sleep, lets Philistines in their own home, and shouts, “Samson, the Philistines are upon you.”

This shaggy dog story hasn’t ended at its third iteration. She cries a third time about being made a fool, but this time (sick of nagging) he tells her the truth that cutting his hair will sap his strength. Again, this is a man who thrice now knows for a fact that his wife is in cahoots with the Philistines, who are looking to subdue him. For plot purposes he falls for it, and he gets his eyes gouged out as a reward.

From there we get 3,000 people on the room of a temple asking for Samson to be made to dance below the roof where the pillars holding up the roof are. It doesn’t seem like there would be enough room, but more glaringly how are they going to see him from that vantage point? Then, knowing that Samson’s hair is the source of his strength doesn’t regularly shave it (or just kill him) and instead put him by the pillars where his returned strength will then kill them all.

This is a bad, logicless story. There is no moral. There is no rhyme or reason. I don’t want to link to it, because it’s not safe for work, but there is an animation on youtube showing how silly this all is. Any thoughts on Samson?
 
As an atheist that story would not change my mind.

As a believer, it’s not going to change my mind either?
 
As an atheist that story would not change my mind.

As a believer, it’s not going to change my mind either?
This isn’t to sway people to or from a faith position. I just am curious if people see merit in the story whether from a plain literary or biblical position.
 
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This isn’t to sway people to or from a faith position. I just am curious if people see merit in the story whether from a plain literary or biblical position.
It’s a story that demonstrates God’s fidelity even after our weakness.
 

This is a bad, logicless story. There is no moral. There is no rhyme or reason. I don’t want to link to it, because it’s not safe for work, but there is an animation on youtube showing how silly this all is. Any thoughts on Samson?
I seriously doubt that. You left out the meaning that he lost when he did not take care in his dedication to God lost in response to the temptation given by Delilah, but he gained through God. Haydock Commentary has:
Ver 17 … Was the hair the physical, or only the moral, cause of his wonderful strength? It is generally believed that it was only a moral cause, or a token appointed by God, that as long as Samson retained his hair he should be endued with such force. …

Ver 30 … “Samson, by dying in this manner, was a figure of Christ, who by his death overcame all his enemies.”…
https://www.ecatholic2000.com/haydock/untitled-244.shtml#navPoint_245
Judges 16
17 So he told her all that was in his heart and said, “No razor has touched my head, for I have been a nazirite for God from my mother’s womb. If I am shaved, my strength will leave me, and I shall grow weaker and be like anyone else.

20 When she said “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” he woke from his sleep and thought, “I will go out as I have done time and again and shake myself free.” He did not realize that the Lord had left him.

28 Samson cried out to the Lord and said, “Lord God, remember me! Strengthen me only this once that I may avenge myself on the Philistines at one blow for my two eyes.”

30 Then saying, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Samson pushed hard, and the temple fell upon the lords and all the people who were in it. Those he killed by his dying were more than those he had killed during his lifetime.
 
Sampson and Delilah have always kinda reminded me of those types of couples who wind up on the Jerry Springer Show.

Even after reading Bible commentaries on them, I still have a have a hard time wrapping my brain around the sheer What-The-Heckery of it all.
 
Even a half-wit would know that his wife was guilty.
That’s the whole point. Samson is a flawed character; his weakness isn’t his flowing locks… it’s women. Even when he knows that Delilah is willing to sell him out, he still can’t help but fall for her charms.
She cries a third time about being made a fool, but this time (sick of nagging) he tells her the truth
I don’t know if it’s “because he’s sick of nagging”. It seems more like he finally succumbs to her pleas that he obey her out of love.
instead put him by the pillars where his returned strength will then kill them all.
They have no reason to believe his strength will return; they captured him, tortured him, and gouged out his eyes, remember? He’s their hapless slave now.
This is a bad, logicless story. There is no moral. There is no rhyme or reason.
I’m not so sure I’d sell it short that quickly.

There’s an internal logic to the story. It also follows the forms of classic storytelling. There is a moral, if you’re willing to see it (and no, it’s not “don’t trust women”…!!!).

There is literally rhyme! 🤣

There is also ‘reason’. Ask yourself who Samson is, vis-a-vis the people of God, and what his role is, and whether he fulfills it (even given his personal weakness) and who it really is who empowers him to succeed. I think you’ll find a moral there… 😉
 
Again, neither of the two main parties act remotely human.
How? Samson was likely presumptious over his on power and he thought he was gonna get away with it like he did last time. Delilah is just acting and the only real problem is her tact when it comes to getting the information.
 
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Samson was likely presumptious over his on power and he thought he was gonna get away with it like he did last time.
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Right! And, let’s not forget that Samson plays fast-and-loose with his vows throughout his life! Delilah is just the latest in that “I can do whatever I please” narrative!
 
Let’s take a look at Samson.
He’s a Nazarite, which means he’s dedicated to the service of the Lord, and under special vows. God has granted him amazing strength, and set him to defend the Israelites from the Philistines.
So what does he do? He gets infatuated with a Philistine girl (a woman of his nation’s enemies) and demands to have her to wife.
At one point he kills a lion that attacks him. Later he passes by the carcass and sees a honeycomb in it.
He gathers the honey to eat it.
Handling a carcass makes him ritually unclean. Not a big deal maybe, if he has no choice but to handle the carcass. The unclean may be purified.
But Samson is a Nazarite. He’s under vows as such, and has the gift from God of great strength to defend the Israelites. Casually making himself unclean so he can scarf down some honey does not sound very much like he’s a diligent servant of the Lord.
Then during the wedding feast he challenges the Philistine guests to a wager based on his riddle.
The Philistines cheat. What does Samson do? Tell them: “You cheated. No prize for you”?
No. He flies into a rage and murders thirty men.
Later he comes to visit his wife, finds out her father has cheated by giving her to another man, and again flies into a rage and murders the whole family.

Then later he’s infatuated with another Philistine woman (Delilah). He takes her, and the Philistines see their chance. They get Delilah to try to find out his secret.
He lies to her. She tries to use the information, allows some Philistines into the house and sets them on him. It doesn’t work because he lied.
Then she starts to nag him, that he made her look foolish.
His reaction? Does he say: “You set me up to be killed by my enemies. I should kill you or at least divorce you”? No. He puts up with this and tells her another lie.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Finally, after multiple murder attempts by Delilah and her accomplices, he tells her his true weakness.

This is a deeply, deeply stupid man, unfaithful to his Lord, undisciplined, selfish, controlled by his own emotions.

And even then, when his own sins have brought him to this, the Lord grants his last prayer. The Lord is faithful even when Samson isn’t and maybe never was.
 
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I admit when I hear the story my first thought is “wow, I wish I had some of Delilah’s charm!” Lol. Not to trip up my husband in his weakness of course… but man! That woman must have been ah-maz-ing to be so mind-numbingly obvious about her sinister plot and keep the strongest man in town (who could surely have had any woman he pleased) wrapped around her little finger. Just one teaspoon of that va-va-voom for ordinary ol’ me?!! Lol.

I think Zacceus (above) makes a fantastic point about Samson’s lack of respect for God’s law & habitual lack of self control, though. You can’t be the slave to passion habitually and suddenly expect to uphold your standards under pressure. God was faithful and merciful even though Samson did not even deserve it from a human standpoint!
 
The unclean may be purified.
It was not an easy process to become purified from something like handling a carcass. We can parallel this story with that of the Good Samaritan. The Priests that past by the injured person thought he was dead. To touch him then would render them ritually unclean. They were on their way to the Temple we assume in many translations.
 
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Zaccheus:
The unclean may be purified.
It was not an easy process to become purified from something like handling a carcass. We can parallel this story with that of the Good Samaritan. The Priests that past by the injured person thought he was dead. To touch him then would render them ritually unclean. They were on their way to the Temple we assume in many translations.
Granted. My point was that someone with a serious reason to do it could accept the unclean state and then go get cleansed: but that Samson didn’t have a serious reason. He just wanted a few mouthfuls of honey.
 
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