Sat Mass readings (A tree is known by its fruit / Why do you call me Lord.. but do not do what i command? / No OSAS)

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September 12, 2009

Reading 1
1 Tm 1:15-17

Beloved:
This saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance:
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
Of these I am the foremost.
But for that reason*** I was mercifully treated,***
so that in me, as the foremost,
Christ Jesus might display all his patience as an example

for those who would come to believe in him for everlasting life.
To the king of ages, incorruptible, invisible, the only God,
honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 113:1b-2, 3-4, 5 and 6-7


R. (2) Blessed be the name of the Lord for ever.
Praise, you servants of the LORD,
praise the name of the LORD.
Blessed be the name of the LORD
both now and forever.
R. Blessed be the name of the Lord for ever.
From the rising to the setting of the sun
is the name of the LORD to be praised.
High above all nations is the LORD;
above the heavens is his glory.
R. Blessed be the name of the Lord for ever.
Who is like the LORD, our God,
and looks upon the heavens and the earth below?
He raises up the lowly from the dust;

from the dunghill he lifts up the poor.
R. Blessed be the name of the Lord for ever.

Gospel
Lk 6:43-49


Jesus said to his disciples:
“A good tree does not bear rotten fruit,
nor does a rotten tree bear good fruit.
For every tree is known by its own fruit.

For people do not pick figs from thornbushes,
nor do they gather grapes from brambles.
A good person out of the store of goodness in his heart produces good,
but an evil person out of a store of evil produces evil;

for from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I command?
I will show you what someone is like who comes to me,
listens to my words, and acts on them.
That one is like a man building a house,
who dug deeply and laid the foundation on rock;
when the flood came, the river burst against that house
but could not shake it because it had been well built.
But the one who listens and does not act
is like a person who built a house on the ground
without a foundation.
When the river burst against it,
it collapsed at once and was completely destroyed
**

The Bible tells us not to judge pepole but we can definitely judge their behavior and we should do that, as this 2nd psg indicates.

I think its interesting that Jesus calls behavior either good or bad. Today there are too many shades of gray people want to cast on the Word of God. They make excuses for sin: well, he came from a poor background… well, she was rejected by her mother when young… he/she was poor, he/she was lonely (fornication…). Jesus knows all the hardships we can go through and He empathizes with all the aforementioned problems in our lives. But Jesus is objective truth. So he speaks objectively. We cannot go against Truth forever and make it into Heavne, no matter how many “valid” excuses we have as to why it is so hard to be good. God gave everyone a conscience… and even those born w/ the aforementioned handicaps have one of those & can discern when their behavior is “rotten” fruit…

God is no bleeding heart liberal…

And so there is no OSAS… no excuses… for not sinning.

Well there’s oldest of all excuses:

I’m human… But that only works when one is trying with all one’s heart/soul/mind/strength to follow Jesus and just… well, is sometimes “human”…

and even then the damage caused by those sins of weakness are still there… and need to be purged… Whether a man falls into a mud puddle accidentally or is pushed in or whatever, he is dirty, regardless…
 
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Why do you call me Lord, Lord… and keep condoning the murder of my little ones??

Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and elect those who promote abortion?

Why do you call me Lord, Lord and yet care more about wht people think than what I think?

etc, etc, etc…
 
I think its interesting that Jesus calls behavior either good or bad.
**
*-- *And I think it is interesting that Jesus calls a person either good or
bad.
A good person out of the store of goodness in his heart produces good, but an evil person out of a store of evil produces evil;

And this after He just got through telling us not to judge people! Well,
He is Jesus, so it is He who judges…

“To the king of ages, incorruptible, invisible, the only God,
honor and glory forever and ever. Amen”
– Does Paul mean to say here that God is invisible, or just that we
can’t see Him right now? If God really is invisible, will we see Him, or
just “see” Him?

“From the rising to the setting of the sun
is the name of the LORD to be praised”
–There are some people who go around saying “praise God” all the
time. It is very natural to them, they say it almost every other sentence.
Is that what is meant by this psalm, or is it something else?

“A good tree does not bear rotten fruit,
nor does a rotten tree bear good fruit.
For every tree is known by its own fruit.

– Has anyone ever met a tree like this, either all good or all evil?
I haven’t met either one. Notice how again Jesus is calling a person
“good” or “rotten”.
"from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks. "
– If you say something, it came from your heart first. Is Jesus saying
that if we listen to the words we say, they will tell us what is in our
heart?
“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I command?
– Doesn’t this phrase just prove that it is possible for a person’s mouth
to speak not what is in the fullness of their heart?

One thing I am thinking of is the “fruit of the Spirit”, which is the fruit that a good
tree bears : Love, Joy, Peace, Patient Endurance, Kindness, Generosity, Faith,
Mildness, and Chastity. If all these were in our heart, how could we say one evil
word?
 
.

Why do you call me Lord, Lord… and keep condoning the murder of my little ones??

Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and elect those who promote abortion?

Why do you call me Lord, Lord and yet care more about wht people think than what I think?

etc, etc, etc…
I understand and agree with what you are saying,
But,
What does our Lord, Lord list look like?
 
I think its interesting that Jesus calls behavior either good or bad.
**
*-- *And I think it is interesting that Jesus calls a person either good or
bad.
A good person out of the store of goodness in his heart produces good, but an evil person out of a store of evil produces evil;

And this after He just got through telling us not to judge people! Well,
He is Jesus, so it is He who judges…

“To the king of ages, incorruptible, invisible, the only God,
honor and glory forever and ever. Amen”
– Does Paul mean to say here that God is invisible, or just that we
can’t see Him right now? If God really is invisible, will we see Him, or
just “see” Him?

“From the rising to the setting of the sun
is the name of the LORD to be praised”
–There are some people who go around saying “praise God” all the
time. It is very natural to them, they say it almost every other sentence.
Is that what is meant by this psalm, or is it something else?

“A good tree does not bear rotten fruit,
nor does a rotten tree bear good fruit.
For every tree is known by its own fruit.

– Has anyone ever met a tree like this, either all good or all evil?
I haven’t met either one. Notice how again Jesus is calling a person
“good” or “rotten”.
"from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks. "
– If you say something, it came from your heart first. Is Jesus saying
that if we listen to the words we say, they will tell us what is in our
heart?
“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I command?
– Doesn’t this phrase just prove that it is possible for a person’s mouth
to speak not what is in the fullness of their heart?

One thing I am thinking of is the “fruit of the Spirit”, which is the fruit that a good
tree bears : Love, Joy, Peace, Patient Endurance, Kindness, Generosity, Faith,
Mildness, and Chastity. If all these were in our heart, how could we say one evil
word?
it would a lot simpler and easier for posters to respond to your myriad questions if you put only one or maybe 2 in one post… :hypno:

i think that a lot of your questions could be answered by spending time with Jesus in the Real Presence… Have you dont that lately? If you go There and just sit and listen… open up and let all the worldy stuff fly out of your head… (actually Jesus plucks it out a little at a time and the longer you stay There… the better, obviously)… i believe you will find answers… not to everything, that’s going to happen ony in Heaven… but … anyway, i
just wonder why more Catholics don’t do tht… :confused:
 
i believe you will find answers… not to everything said:
Maybe I shouldn’t answer your question, and just let you answer it for them.

Well I know the answer. It is because they don’t want to hear what Jesus would tell them. There is a good chance it would not agree with what the Christian Churches teach.

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Matthew 5:43-44) “You have learnt how it was said, you must love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”

(Matthew 23:8-9) “You, however must not allow yourselves to be called Rabbi, since you have only one Master, and you are all brothers. You must call no one on earth your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.”

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
 
it would a lot simpler and easier for posters to respond to your myriad questions if you put only one or maybe 2 in one post… :hypno:

i think that a lot of your questions could be answered by spending time with Jesus in the Real Presence… Have you dont that lately? If you go There and just sit and listen… open up and let all the worldy stuff fly out of your head… (actually Jesus plucks it out a little at a time and the longer you stay There… the better, obviously)… i believe you will find answers… not to everything, that’s going to happen ony in Heaven… but … anyway, i
just wonder why more Catholics don’t do tht… :confused:
Sorry… I am not as troubled by my questions as you are. These are just the things
that strike me about today’s readings, I don’t really expect anyone to answer, a lot of
times I don’t think there is an answer, and that is o.k. But maybe someone else
sees one of these and they already thought of that. Then they just want to say it.

Anyway, I’ll second your assertion of how good it is to go to adoration and be with
Jesus in silence. Yes I have gone lately. Not this past Wednesday but the Wednesday before. It was there that I decided that every single encounter we have
with any person at all, is holy. 🙂

well, I feel sorry to drive you crazy with my questions. I will think about that
for tomorrow…
 
Maybe I shouldn’t answer your question, and just let you answer it for them.

Well I know the answer. It is because they don’t want to hear what Jesus would tell them. There is a good chance it would not agree with what the Christian Churches teach.

.”
are you saying that Catholics don’t believe the way Christ wants??

the RCC was / is the Church Christ establihsed… I know this from studying history but also from Experience, the greatest teacher of all.

i have spent time with Jesus in His tangible Presence/… Have you??? You are apparently not Catholics so i doubt you have…

i can’t begin to describe it excep to say that all the stuff a person knows or thinks he knows about Jesus… is nothing compared to what that Presence… is…

no one knows Jesus until / unless he does that…

I’ve been without the Presence and i have been in… In is… WAY better… but that shouldgo without saying…
 
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