Saved by FAITH, careful

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“Hear, O Israel!”

This is saying–believe. The Church and the individual must first believe.

The Roman Catholic Church does this first, that is, faith first.

I believe. Then I can learn and know and have charity.

If we wanted to put scholarship first, we just might use the LXX as the only true source.

The Hebrew manuscripts are accepted on faith for the O. T. by Roman Church.

For the sake of discussion, Moses could have received the Ten Words in Egyptian or Hebrew, just to mention two languages. Biblically we don’t know, as far as I know. If I am not mistaken, Talmudic literature does have stories about the language being Egyptian. Moses could have written in the Egyptian of his day.

The N. T. is in Greek (as of now).

Therefore the Greek of the LXX could be considered the official language of the Holy Bible or God, based on scholarly argument. (I don’t want to brag, but I am not a scholar.)

Scholars, in my opinion, would not be able prove which we should use, that is, the Greek or Hebrew manuscripts.

Thus we must believe first.

A Lutheran scholar (of MLS) told me that it is through scholarship that they decided on their canon.

If that is correct, they put knowledge first and not faith (history’s best example of irony).

Also the old argument, only the Bible just does not stand. Unless some people pick the books of the Bible you can’t have a Bible. This were my Lutheran friend said we must use scholarship. Again, they discerned the Holy Bible through scholarship, not faith (if I understood and recall accurately).

Oh, we are saved by faith. We need faith first. Then we can have charity and preserve to the end. Then we can be involved in the mystery of work. Then we can be involved in the mystery of good. This is similar to going from St. Louis to Denver; one gets to Denver through Kansas City.
 
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Oh, we are saved by faith. We need faith first. Then we can have charity and preserve to the end. Then we can be involved in the mystery of work. Then we can be involved in the mystery of good. This is similar to going from St. Louis to Denver; one gets to Denver through Kansas City.
Faith is a broad term. Even people who do not have faith(again, broad term) in Jesus are capable of doing good works. The real question is “Is it possible for someone who has true faith in Jesus to not do them?” I don’t believe it is. Do you want to know if you have true faith in Christ? Examine your works and you will see your faith.
Wow, sounds pretty harsh…

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There are many things that are needed to be saved: hope, keeping the commandments, good works, gospel, faith working with charity, and one that perseveres (just to name a few).

**SAVED BY HOPE—For in HOPE we were SAVED. Now hope that sees for itself is not hope. For who hopes for what one sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with endurance (Romans 8: 24).

****Works Are a Part (Aspect/Dimension) of Faith—Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works themselves. Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father. And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (St. John 14: 11-15).

**Gospel and Salvation—For I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: for Jew first, and then Greek (Romans 1: 16).

**Galatians 5: 6—For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only ****FAITH WORKING through LOVE.

****I Corinthians 13: 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all ****mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

**Perseveres Saved—But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved (St. Mark 13: 13 and St. Matthew 24: 13.)
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Again, ironically, the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod does not even have an official doctrine on the canon of the Bible.
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