Saying the Creed tonight

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MarkThompson said:
Oftentimes these will not be in all the pews, but, since most people don’t care to use them, there will be a smaller quantity somewhere near the entrance or the back of the church.

It ought to be Gospel → homily → Creed → Prayers of the Faithful → Offertory. They really ought to be doing the Creed, either the Nicene or the Apostles’.

The general term for all celebrations of saints, blesseds, mysteries of Our Lord, etc., is “feast.” For determining some issues of liturgical preference (which is celebrated if two fall on the same day?) and certain other liturgical questions (must the Gloria by sung?), “feasts” as a generic class have been subdivided into Solemnities (the most important feasts), Feasts (feasts of middling importance), and Memorials (feasts of lesser importance). So the day of some little-known saint is properly called his or her “feast day”, even if it only ranks as a Memorial for liturgical purposes.

Wikipedia has a pretty good article on the topic at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranking_of_liturgical_days_in_the_Roman_Rite. The “Solemnity” and “Memorial” terminology only dates from 1969, which I imagine is another reason why it remains customary to refer to all of these as “feasts” in a generic sense.

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Sorry if I sounded confusing, I meant that they do those things, but they don’t print them like that in the worship aid. The worship aid goes from the Gospel into “Liturgy of the Eucharist.”
Thank you.
 
I have a question.

The Memorial for St John of the Cross is coming (Dec 14). On this day, the gloria and creed would be omitted.

If I were go to mass in Stanwood WA (a Carmelite parish), the priest would be a Carmelite and for their order the Memorial is elevated to a Solemnity.

My wife is also a Carmelite.

Would the Stanwood parish recite the creed and gloria? Would my wife recite them silently in a diocesan parish (it is a HDO for her and the 13th is a fast day) or just let them be dropped?

I know our priest is a Benedictine. If he has a mass on the Feast of St Benedict would he include the gloria and creed as it is a Solemnity for him or, since he is in a diocesan parish, would they be left out on a weekday?
 
anp1215 said:
Sorry if I sounded confusing, I meant that they do those things, but they don’t print them like that in the worship aid. The worship aid goes from the Gospel into “Liturgy of the Eucharist.”
Thank you.
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Ah, that’s good to know! Well, you have a few options: (1) print it yourself, (2) go to a Catholic bookstore and buy a missal (I don’t recommend this, since the translations are going to change less that a year from now), or (3) poke around the entrance area to the church, where there will usually be brochures and various other informational material. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a stack of missals around somewhere; usually these will be paperback “missallettes” that cover a quarter of the year or something. If you can’t find it easily you might ask an usher or somebody if there are any missals or missallettes available for use.

With respect to option (1), you can see the basic order of Mass here among other places. That has the Creed, Our Father, and all that stuff, but it doesn’t have the changeable prayers for each day,. The best free online resource I know for that is the Gregorian Missal, which is downloadable here (24 MB pdf). It’s primarily focused on providing the Gregorian notation necessary to chant the Mass, but at the same time it includes all the Latin and English for all of the unchanging and changeable parts of the Mass. It’s laid out like standard missals generally are, i.e. confusingly, but you’d be able to figure it out!
 
MarkThompson said:
Ah, that’s good to know! Well, you have a few options: (1) print it yourself, (2) go to a Catholic bookstore and buy a missal (I don’t recommend this, since the translations are going to change less that a year from now), or (3) poke around the entrance area to the church, where there will usually be brochures and various other informational material. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a stack of missals around somewhere; usually these will be paperback “missallettes” that cover a quarter of the year or something. If you can’t find it easily you might ask an usher or somebody if there are any missals or missallettes available for use.

With respect to option (1), you can see the basic order of Mass here among other places. That has the Creed, Our Father, and all that stuff, but it doesn’t have the changeable prayers for each day,. The best free online resource I know for that is the Gregorian Missal, which is downloadable here (24 MB pdf). It’s primarily focused on providing the Gregorian notation necessary to chant the Mass, but at the same time it includes all the Latin and English for all of the unchanging and changeable parts of the Mass. It’s laid out like standard missals generally are, i.e. confusingly, but you’d be able to figure it out!
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Oh I can still follow along. I’ve been going to Mass for a few months so I pretty much know the order now without having to look. They also gave us a lot of stuff in RCIA about that. But thanks for the info.
One thing I have noticed, my parish does not have missals in pews, but the one on the other side of town does. I wonder why some have them but some don’t. I guess just personal preference.
 
MarkThompson said:
It ought to be Gospel → homily → Creed → Prayers of the Faithful → Offertory. They really ought to be doing the Creed, either the Nicene or the Apostles’.

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So what happens when the Creed is NOT recited?
I’ve noticed this twice at a Sunday Mass (same parish different priests)
 
ODGarza said:
So what happens when the Creed is NOT recited?
I’ve noticed this twice at a Sunday Mass (same parish different priests)
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What “happens” is that the priest has improperly omitted the Creed, and you just move on to the Prayers of the Faithful. If memory serves – I know it’s a common enough practice, but I forget whether it’s technically proper – this can be permissible if a baptism takes place during the Mass that involves the congregational renewal of baptismal vows.
 
anp1215 said:
Oh I can still follow along. I’ve been going to Mass for a few months so I pretty much know the order now without having to look. They also gave us a lot of stuff in RCIA about that. But thanks for the info.
One thing I have noticed, my parish does not have missals in pews, but the one on the other side of town does. I wonder why some have them but some don’t. I guess just personal preference.
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That is usually the preference of the parish/Pastor. We have some for those who want them, in the back of the church. Very few people use them. Many years ago our previous Pastor, now deceased, wanted people to learn to listen to the readings being proclaimed and learn the Mass and responses, so their use was discontinued. Now it is our custom not to use the Missalettes, but a few are available for those who wish. This year they gave all the RCIA candidates a copy to familiarize them with the Mass and to learn the prayers and responses. Also, some parishes may not wish to incur the expense of Missalettes for everyone.
 
ODGarza said:
That’s what I was trying to ask.

Is it still a proper or licit mass if the Creed is omitted without good reason on a Sunday Mass?
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If you’re asking whether it’s still “a Mass” or whether the sacrament of the Eucharist is validly performed, the answers to those questions are yes. If you’re asking whether it’s okay to leave out the Creed at will when the rubrics call for it, the answer is no. Does that affect whether the Mass is “proper or licit”? Well, only in the same vague sense that using the wrong liturgical color, or not having two candles burning, or singing an Agnus Dei with some added words like “Jesus, Prince of Peace, you take away the sins of the world,” or something like that would. That is to say, not in any way that affects you, your Communion, or the graces you receive at the Mass.

There are lots of things that are, strictly speaking, “abuses” and “illicit.” Changing the words of the Mass is one example. But if a priest adds the connecting word “for” in the Offertory – “Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation, for through your goodness we have this bread to offer” – would you say, “Hey, I went to an illicit, improper Mass today”? Not in any realistic sense, I think. To me it doesn’t conceptually make much sense to ask about abuses of this sort in the context of whether it is “still a proper or licit Mass,” because it’s not correct to think of something like adding a word to the Offertory or skipping the Creed as somehow affecting all the other parts of the Mass as a whole.
 
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