Scapular Promises

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carol marie:
Bro. Rich,

I have reread your message several times and I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. What does the disposition of one’s soul mean and what is an “Actual Grace?” Thank you.
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I’m sorry, We receive Grace in the amount that we are capable of receiving. The disposition of our soul is determined by how well we are prepared to receive a Sacrament, If we receive a Sacrament in Mortal sin we receive no grace and commit additional sin. However if we receive a Sacrament in venial sin the grace we receive is limited by the effect of that sin. It’s like this. The water in a pitcher is God’s Grace. We might receive with venial sin or improper disposition our water in a glass. With the proper disposition and free of all sin we might receive in what might be looked at as a bucket. In both instances we receive Grace but amount is determined by our ability to receive it.

“Actual Grace” is the promptings of the Holy Spirit to turn towards God. It can be received by those who can receive no other Grace because of the lack of Baptism. Those who are in Mortal sin also receive Actual Grace to prompt them to reconcile with God and be restored to Sacramental Grace.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
However if we receive a Sacrament in venial sin the grace we receive is limited by the effect of that sin.
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I’ve always heard/read that when we receive communion our venial sins are taken away/forgiven. So wouldn’t we still receive all the graces possible when we receive communion? Just wondering.
 
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Authorkat:
I’ve always heard/read that when we receive communion our venial sins are taken away/forgiven. So wouldn’t we still receive all the graces possible when we receive communion? Just wondering.
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Our venial sins are not taken away by communion, they are forgiven by confession. And we still have to make reparation for them - either in this world or the next.

Although you can receive communion with venial sin on your soul, you must absolutely be free of mortal sin. To receive Holy Communion worthily it is necessary to be free from mortal sin, to have a right intention and to obey the Church’s law on fasting before Holy Communion.

I personally obey the law of fasting 3 hours before Communion. I do not know what the new law is, if there is a law, or if this is open to one of those “misinterpretations” mentioned in other threads But this is the way I look at it. I am about to receive my Lord and my God, who is All Perfect and Almighty, Who has deemed to humble himself to come to me, the most unworthy of his creatures. I must do something to warrant this!

He who knowingly receives Holy Communion in mortal sin receives the body and blood of Christ, but does not receive His graces, and commits a grave sin of sacrilege.

*"Lord, I am not worthy that Thou shouldst enter under my roof; say but the word, and my soul shall be healed. *
 
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Authorkat:
I’ve always heard/read that when we receive communion our venial sins are taken away/forgiven. So wouldn’t we still receive all the graces possible when we receive communion? Just wondering.
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Venial sins are forgiven in the Penitential Rite at the beginning of Mass. Which is all the more reason to be there at the beginning. Saying an Act of Contrition also would prepare us properly to receive Holy Communion if we are aware of venial sins. WE need to prepare ourselves to receive Sacraments including Holy Communion. Which is why Confession is heard on Saturday afternoon or evening before Mass and sometimes before other Mass times and even daily Mass.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
Venial sins are forgiven in the Penitential Rite at the beginning of Mass.
Thanks for explaining that. In my little “Pieta” book it says, “Each time we receive Holy Communion our venial sins are forgiven.” Maybe they were assuming what you explained.
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elgom:
I read that St. Frances Yepes was told to take off his scapular because no one who dies with it on does not die impiously.
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Sorry, Elgom, but I don’t understand why the Blessed Virgin would appear to St. Simon Stock to give us the scapular and encourage its use, and then turn around and tell St. Frances Yepes to be sure not to die with his on.
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elgom:
They mentioned that they hate the scapular.
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Sorry, who mentioned that who hates the scapular?

Peace,

Jim
 
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Savagedds:
Sorry, Elgom, but I don’t understand why the Blessed Virgin would appear to St. Simon Stock to give us the scapular and encourage its use, and then turn around and tell St. Frances Yepes to be sure not to die with his on.

Sorry, who mentioned that who hates the scapular?

Peace,

Jim
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Okay I’ll try again. I don’t remember what I wrote now but I will quote it directly from the book. First of all the Blessed Mother didn’t tell this to Francis of Yepes, it was the devils.

“Blessed Virgin Mary to Saint Dominic, ‘One day throught the Rosary and the Scapular I will save the World’ 'Whosoever dies clothed in this (scapular) shall not suffer eternal fire.”

This is Mary’s Promise made July 16, 1251 to Saint Simon Stock.

“The devils revealed to Francis of Yepes, the brother of St. John of the Cross, that three things especially tormented them. The first is the Name of Jesus; the second, the Name of Mary, and the third, the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel. ‘Take off that habit,’ they cried to him, 'which snatches so many souls from us. All those clothed in it die piously and escape us.”

This is directly taken from the Pieta Blue Book.

I hope it makes more sense now. God bless.
 
I just wanted to post a little Thank You to the Blessed Mother. I just realized that tomorrow July 16th is exactly 753 years ago to the day that the Blessed Mother appeared to St. Simon Stock and gave him the scapular and the promise.

Anyone need a scapular I make them?
Thank you Mom!!!
 
carol marie:
Why is it needed though? Why not just believe in Jesus since the Bible says “If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Rom 10:9 I hope to live my entire life devoted to Jesus, including my last hour and I believe this is only accomplished with the help of the Holy Spirit, the one Jesus said would be my comforter. As a soon to be convert, I finanlly get it that Catholics don’t want Mary to take the place of God… they only ask her to pray for them just like I would ask my best friend to pray for me. And since I wouldn’t expect my best friend, (who is a great Christian by the way) to be able to promise me eternal life - how could anyone expect Mary to make that promise?? Isn’t it only God who deems us worthy based on our belief in his Son?
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The entire faith alone scenario has been going around for awhile. Basically, Luther had a trouble with verses such as “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2:24)” This really infuriated him. He wanted to remove James along with the other seven books…but was talked out of it. In Romans 3:28 it read, “For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.”, etc. etc. Luther decided that “works of law” was in reference to the laws of the Old Testament, including the Ten Commandments. The interesting thing is that when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered…they supported the Catholic belief that “works of law” …or in Greek “ergon nomou” refers to ceremonial law handed out in the Old Testament…not to the Ten Commandments ala Moral Law. Luther also inserted “alone” in Romans 3:28…to read, “man is justified by faith alone.” We (Catholics) don’t believe in absolute assurance of salvation – “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven” (Matt 7:21). Scripture shows that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus says, “He who endures to the end will be saved” (Matthew 24:13; cf. 25:31–46). So basically, one who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of enmity and rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell.

Mary is the “Mother of God”…and is “Full of Grace.” Your friend is neither.

I recommend reading the links that this site provides…

catholic.com/library/Mary_Mother_of_God.asp
catholic.com/library/Mary_Full_of_Grace.asp
 
I feel as though I never got a definite answer to one of my questions.

The scapular reminds its wearer of their devotion to Mary. Devotion to Mary leads to devotion to Jesus. Devotion to Jesus leads to salvation. Is this what Mary meant when she said that those who wear the scapular at their death won’t go to hell?
 
Juxtaposer, I may have an answer for you.

My wife gave me a pamphlet that contains the investiture procedures, and information about "The Brown Scapular."She also tells me there are several different types of scapular. The Brown Scapular must be 100% wool (because it is like a nun’s habit) without plastic casing and should not be pinned or affixed to clothing.

Here is the part that I think addresses your question.
The Blessed Virgin of Mt. Carmel has promised to save those who wear the scapular from the fires of Hell; She will also shorten their stay in Purgatory if they should pass from this world still owing some temporal debt of punishment.

This promise is found in a Bull of Pope John XXII. The Blessed Virgin appeared to him and speaking of those who wear the Brown Scapular said: “I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in Purgatory, I shall free, so that I may lead them to the holy mountain of life everlasting.”

The Blessed Virgin assigned certain conditions which must be fulfilled:
  1. Wear the Brown Scapular continuously.
  2. Observe chastity according to one’s state in life. (married/single)
  3. Recite daily the “Little Office of the Blessed Virgin.”
    Or, A) To observe the fasts of the church together with abstaining from meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays.
    Or, B) With permission of a Priest to say five decades of Our Lady’s Most Holy Rosary.
    Or, C) With permission of a Priest to substitute some other good work.
    Note: You cannot substitute for the first two conditions: wearing the scapular; and, observing chastity.
Pope Benedict XV, the celebrated World War I Pontiff granted 500 days indulgence for devoutly kissing your scapular.
Indulgence: The remission in whole or in part for the temporal punishment due to sins. (Remission of time spent in Purgatory.)
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Oops. And I thought just wearing it was supposed to do something. :o

Alan
 
Pope Benedict XV, the celebrated World War I Pontiff granted 500 days indulgence for devoutly kissing your scapular.
Indulgence: The remission in whole or in part for the temporal punishment due to sins.
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What? Why would devoutly kissing your scapular take away temporal punishment for sins?
 
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Juxtaposer:
What? Why would devoutly kissing your scapular take away temporal punishment for sins?
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:confused:Beats me. I never figured out where they get this kind of stuff. It’s one of those mysteries I’ve never explored. Maybe some of those more educated than me can tell us where indulgence formulae come from. Do I feel a new thread coming on?

Alan
 
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Juxtaposer:
What if the person’s a quadriplegic and couldn’t rip it off? Just in theory, what would happen?
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I think the main issue here is that this is not a superstitious talisman. It is an aid to holiness.

Speculating on your question: Perhaps the mercy of God is so wide that He might be willing to be “make Himself the fool” in order to rescue a soul locked in the bonds of sin.
 
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Juxtaposer:
What? Why would devoutly kissing your scapular take away temporal punishment for sins?
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Jux – I’m not a “scapular person” myself. As a Convert, I am still working my way towards understanding these extra devotions. But I would speculate that it is not kissing the scapular per se but rather God who takes away the temporal punishment for sins. Kissing the scapular is a sign of one’s love for God, of submission to Him, and above all of trust in his mercy.

Thanks for asking the question. It made me THINK. One of the things that enabled me to become Catholic was realizing that these devotions are not required. At this point, I am not about to run out and buy a scapular, but at least I have more respect for such devotions than I did a couple of years ago.
 
Hey,

I’ve looked at some of the beginning posts. I thought that the concrete thing was pretty funny. I didn’t follow all of that because it’s late and I need to get to bed. But I’ve been wondering. What are my obligations as a scapular wearer? What must I do to obtain the promises given by Mary?
 
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