Scenario of non-cardinal being elected Pope

[Skeptic92]

Yes please cite the source as I (admittedly) did a quick scan and can only find where it says that if one is not a bishop that they “shall immediately be ordained Bishop” which is in paragraph 88. I see nothing about ordination to the priesthood, so maybe they are saying what I said, if skipping the diaconate then also skip the priesthood and go right to bishop.

Can. 332 §1. The Roman Pontiff obtains full and supreme power in the Church by his acceptance of legitimate election together with episcopal consecration. Therefore, a person elected to the supreme pontificate who is marked with episcopal character obtains this power from the moment of acceptance. If the person elected lacks episcopal character, however, he is to be ordained a bishop immediately.

Can. 378 §1. In regard to the suitability of a candidate for the episcopacy, it is required that he is:

1/ outstanding in solid faith, good morals, piety, zeal for souls, wisdom, prudence, and human virtues, and endowed with other qualities which make him suitable to fulfill the office in question;

2/ of good reputation;

3/ at least thirty-Five years old;

4/ ordained to the presbyterate for at least Five years;

5/ in possession of a doctorate or at least a licentiate in sacred scripture, theology, or canon law from an institute of higher studies approved by the Apostolic See, or at least truly expert in the same disciplines.

§2. The definitive judgment concerning the suitability of the one to be promoted pertains to the Apostolic See.

As to who Ordains and Consecrates the new Pope if he is not a Cardinal (or even a Priest), I would guess it would be the dean of the College of Cardinals, as it was in the previous Code of Canon Law.

 

[Digitonomy]

The diaconate and priesthood were not “skipped” with the Apostles. Those offices did not exist at the time.

I would argue that the Apostles were marked with diaconal and priestly character simultaneously with that of the episcopate.

 

[Spirithound]

I would argue that the Apostles were marked with diaconal and priestly character simultaneously with that of the episcopate.

Perhaps earlier even? Though I don’t remember the precise sequence of their commissions during Jesus’ ministry…

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

As to who Ordains and Consecrates the new Pope if he is not a Cardinal (or even a Priest), I would guess it would be the dean of the College of Cardinals, as it was in the previous Code of Canon Law.

As you list the Canon Law for the requirements to be ordained a bishop you can easily look up the requirements to be ordained a priest and one of them is that the ordain is a deacon.

One can not be made a Cardinal if they are not one as the office of Cardinal is granted by the pope, as this would be a case of there being no pope the candidate for the papacy could not be made a cardinal. Also the office of cardinal has no part of Holy Orders and is not required for the papacy.

 

[TheMc]

Also the office of cardinal has no part of Holy Orders and is not required for the papacy.

In this way, the monsignori is not unlike the cardinalate, right?

 

[Spirithound]

In this way, the monsignori is not unlike the cardinalate, right?

This Rock explained the relationship a couple years ago in this way: If a cardinal is an honorary member of the papal household, a monsignor has an honorary mop and bucket in the papal utility closet! :jrbirdman:

 

[TheMc]

This Rock explained the relationship a couple years ago in this way: If a cardinal is an honorary member of the papal household, a monsignor has an honorary mop and bucket in the papal utility closet! :jrbirdman:

Hahaha! Totally true! Now go out and tell this to all your monsignor friends!

 

[Spirithound]

In this way, the monsignori is not unlike the cardinalate, right?

This Rock explained the relationship a couple years ago in this way: If a cardinal is an honorary member of the papal household, a monsignor has an honorary mop and bucket in the papal utility closet! :jrbirdman:

 

[Spirithound]

This Rock explained the relationship a couple years ago in this way: If a cardinal is an honorary member of the papal household, a monsignor has an honorary mop and bucket in the papal utility closet! :jrbirdman:

Hahaha! Totally true! Now go out and tell this to all your monsignor friends!

Oops! The better memory is returning to me now…the cardinal is an honorary Roman clergyman with an honorary church in Rome, while the monsignor is an honorary member of the papal household, with an honorary mop and bucket

 

[Trader]

At least one deacon elected Pope happened somewhere around 13th century if I recall correctly and there was a layman elected pope some time prior to 10th.

Pope Adrian V was elected to the papacy in 1276. He was a deacon and died a month after his election from illness without ever being ordained a priest. It was a bad year for popes. There were four who served in the office that year.

 

[Trader]

I doubt that the vow of obedience could apply here. A religious only owes obedience to his superior and the pope. Even accepting episcopal ordination doesn’t seem like something that can be compelled under obedience.

You are correct. When a religious is ordained a bishop, he is dispensed from his vow of obedience to his religious superior. He remains a member of the congregation, but has one less vow to deal with than his confreres. This is more than made up for by the fact that everyone in his diocese will be telling him what to do.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

You are correct. When a religious is ordained a bishop, he is dispensed from his vow of obedience to his religious superior. He remains a member of the congregation, but has one less vow to deal with than his confreres. This is more than made up for by the fact that everyone in his diocese will be telling him what to do.

I believe he is also dispensed from the vow of poverty.

 

[Trader]

I believe he is also dispensed from the vow of poverty.

I did not realize that, but it makes sense since at least US dioceses are usually organized as a corporation sole, where the bishop has legal title to all diocesan property.

I have attended only one episcopal consecration of a priest from the Congregation of the Holy Cross, and it was specifically mentioned that he was dispensed from the vow of obedience. It was part of the papal proclamation read by the papal nuncio to the United States. He was being ordained an auxiliary bishop for our diocese, so maybe the poverty part was irrelevant.