Scripture vs Church

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7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[a] sin.
(1 John 1:7)

Then why do we need baptism?
 
The title makes no sense – Scripture cannot be opposed to the Church, Scripture *comes from *the Church (and not the other way around).

While Holy Mother Church gives us the Scripture, she does not give us the verses of Scripture in a vacuum. To answer your question, read the 30,000+ verses which precede and succeed 1John 1:7.

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the title of your post should be “scripture vs scripture”
unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit he shall not have eternal life, or as the NAB has it John 3:5 Amen Amen I say to you no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

this defines the sacrament of baptism and its concommitant sacrament of confirmation.

since scripture cannot contradict itself, since it is God’s revelation, we conclude that our understanding is at fault when we see an apparent contradiction, in other words, we must interpret scripture with the mind of the Church which Jesus established and which is guided by the Holy Spirit: as a unity, not as competing verses.
 
How do we get into the light?

May you be made strong with all the strength that comes from his glorious power, and may you be prepared to endure everything with patience, while joyfully giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. He has rescued us from the power of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.(Col 1:11-13)

From the Cathism of the Catholic Church on Baptism
1216 "This bath is called enlightenment, because those who receive this [catechetical] instruction are enlightened in their understanding
. . . ."8 Having received in Baptism the Word, “the true light that enlightens every man,” the person baptized has been “enlightened,” he becomes a “son of light,” indeed, he becomes “light” himself:
 
How else are we cleansed by the blood of Jesus other than by receiving His body and blood at His sacrifice at mass?

Jeremy
 
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[a] sin.
(1 John 1:7)

Then why do we need baptism?
Because Jesus told the apostles to do it. Pretty simple.

“In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit”

Ring bells?
 
In ordinary circumstances, one imperative step in walking in the light is receiving baptism.

I agree with others: this is an inappropriate title. It’s also presumptuous
 
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[a] sin.
(1 John 1:7)

Then why do we need baptism?
St. John is talking to Christians (“we”) who have already been baptized. If anything, the verse shows the importance of living our faith if we wish to remain purified.

Regarding Baptism:
It is Our Lord’s sacrifice that merited the grace for everyone’s salvation. But God has chosen not to bestow it automatically into our souls, without any sure way for us to know it has occurred. He decreed it should take place within the Sacrament of Baptism.

God created us with both body and soul and, in bestowing His spiritual gifts, He takes into account the human need for tangible evidence of the spiritual action that is occurring. Praise God; we don’t have to wonder whether or not we received grace!

Nita
 
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[a] sin.
(1 John 1:7)

Then why do we need baptism?
“We” refers to John’s readers, who were all baptised Christians. He is telling them what they need to do to ensure their salvation, given their current situation.
 
Then why do we need baptism?
The error here is the way in which the Blood of Christ is emphasised over and over again without there ever being a linking to the efficacy of grace.

It is something that is not being considered in the whole of its context and hence only part of the theology is being conveyed to those who follow this particular line. It is a Protestant error that pervades all Protestant and fundamentalist denominations.

The point that I want to make is that it is through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that we are redeemed.

The Blood of Christ is the Blood of the New Covenant and it is the gift that is given to us from God to help us to enter into eternal life.

It is the Redemption, the greatest moment in the Salvation history of mankind that has brought about a right of entry into Heaven.

Whilst it is through disobedience that sin entered into the world, it is through the obedience of one man (Christ) that has led to the restoration of mankind to grace.

It is St. Paul who wrote, when we are baptized we die to Christ. That is we go down into the water just as Jesus went down to the tomb, and all previous sin is washed away.

Paul explains baptism - we die with Christ by going down into the tomb and we rise again with a new life.

This is how the Blood of Christ works for our salvation. Just as Christ arose from the dead, we arise again as a new creature who has been born again of water and of the Spirit.

It is not water that cleanses sins. It is through the grace of God which is received through the Sacrament of Baptism that cleanses our sins.

It is in this way that the water baptism is symbolic of the spiritual baptism that is taking place at the same time through the receiving of sanctifying grace.

Rebaptism is not permissible because just as Jesus died once and for all, we die to sin once and for all. That is why we have the Sacrament of Reconciliation so that we can come to God to repent and be absolved. It is through the Sacraments that we continue to receive God’s Grace (which is the LIVING WATER).

We renew our Baptismal promises on the following occasions:
  1. when we received the Sacrament of Confirmation;
    2)At the Easter Vigil and on Easter Sunday service;
  2. When we attend the Baptism of friends and relatives.
Even though we renew our Baptismal promises on those occasions there is no need for us to go through a second Baptism, because we have that indelible mark upon our souls that has already made us the sons and daughters of God. 1John 5: 5-7 Romans 6: 5-11; 13-14 Gal 3: 23-29 Ephesians 2:7-10; 4: 5-6Colssians 2: 11-13
Code:
 "There is one Lord, one faith, one Baptism and one God who is Father of all, over all, through all and within all." (Ephesisans 4: 5-6)
"In him you have been circumcised, with a circumcision not performed by human hand, but by the complete stripping of your body of flesh. This is circumcision according to Christ.

You have been buried with him, when you were baptised; and by baptism too you have been raised up with him through your belief in the power of God who raised him from the dead.
You were dead because you were sinners and had not been circumcised; he has brought you to life with him, he has forgiven us all our sins" (Colssians 2: 11-13)

The Sacrament of Baptism leaves on the soul an indelible mark which shows that all who have been baptised are the sons and daughters of God. This mark can never be removed from the soul. But that does not mean that we cannot lose grace because of our future sins.
 
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