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He means “everyone who’s a Christian.” Of course, the so-called pillar and foundation of the truth is pretty useless if that pillar tells you baptism is just a symbol, but down the street, it tells you it’s absolutely necessary for salvation.

But perhaps that kind of thinking just creates more of those papist traditions…
 
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adrift:
I am praying for you. I have been in constant pain for twentyone years. Celiac disdease is not any harder than being a diabetic. You make it sound like it is cancer. You have to have a special diet and considering how much wheat is used it is difficult. Yes I have it too. I don’t think anything will calm you down to being a listening person. I offered the pain I had today for you. I hope someday you to will learn the great grace of suffering for our Lord. I pray that you will read Church Militiant he has a lot of wisdom. If you truly were listening to just the bible, you wouldn’t be calling the Blood of Christ wine. Church Militant is right about you talking this over with your parish priest. I find that the difficult part of just receiving the Blood of Christ is traveling. There are underlying issues that you are not dealing with. I hope you find someone to talk this over with I will continue to pray for you.
Oh, for goodness sake. Read carefully. I do not have celiac disease. I was dx with endometriosis and if you think that’s lightweight… then you flat out don’t know what you’re talking about. You also don’t know what you’re talking about declaring Celiac Disease as simple as diabetes. There are upwards of 200 possible symptoms of the disease and every Celiac experiences any combination of those symptoms or NONE at all *except the flattening of the villi. In any case, my son’s manifested in the form of what appeared to be asperger’s (mild form of autism). He had too many peptides leaching into his bloodstream and circulating in his brain with their little Opiate effect, fogging his brain. When he went gluten free, he ‘woke up’. I’ve spent the last 5 years working with his schools and therapists to make up for the lost, first three years of his life. It takes a toll on a child to be in a state of brain fog during those formative first years. Today, he’s happy, healthy and still in speech and occupational therapy and a year behind in school. I don’t know of any diabetics that go through all of that ~ but if YOU say so, well then… So, we won’t be taking the low gluten host. There’s too much at stake. And the whole “offering up my pain” gift - I decline the offer. Nothing personal, but I don’t believe in that sentiment at all. I cannot receive that which I don’t acknowledge as real. I think it’s better to pray for your pain to go away without ceasing. I’ll pray for you tonight. Jesus answered my prayers for my pain and for my son’s, so I know he can handle what you have.
 
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jennifer101:
Oh, for goodness sake. Read carefully. I do not have celiac disease. I was dx with endometriosis and if you think that’s lightweight… then you flat out don’t know what you’re talking about. You also don’t know what you’re talking about declaring Celiac Disease as simple as diabetes. There are upwards of 200 possible symptoms of the disease and every Celiac experiences any combination of those symptoms or NONE at all *except the flattening of the villi. In any case, my son’s manifested in the form of what appeared to be asperger’s (mild form of autism). He had too many peptides leaching into his bloodstream and circulating in his brain with their little Opiate effect, fogging his brain. When he went gluten free, he ‘woke up’. I’ve spent the last 5 years working with his schools and therapists to make up for the lost, first three years of his life. It takes a toll on a child to be in a state of brain fog during those formative first years. Today, he’s happy, healthy and still in speech and occupational therapy and a year behind in school. I don’t know of any diabetics that go through all of that ~ but if YOU say so, well then… So, we won’t be taking the low gluten host. There’s too much at stake. And the whole “offering up my pain” gift - I decline the offer. Nothing personal, but I don’t believe in that sentiment at all. I cannot receive that which I don’t acknowledge as real. I think it’s better to pray for your pain to go away without ceasing. I’ll pray for you tonight. Jesus answered my prayers for my pain and for my son’s, so I know he can handle what you have.
Why don’t you just admit it Jennifer. You just plain don’t want any of this to work out. You’d rather play Catholic and talk smack than really make the effort to believe what is real. Just because you have no faith that God can handle the situation, you wanna take it all into your own hands.

You like to come off as brutally frank in your posts, but it’s getting pretty obvious that you don’t want anything but your own personal little version of Christianity and “to hell with” what the real New Testament Christians have believed for 2,000 years. That’s pretty sad and I’ll include you in my prayers, but you DOUBT that God can handle even the small amount of gluten in a special host for your boy, (received once a week) yet Jesus has handled far far worse.

If I were you, I’d make the effort to do things right, counting on God’s graces to work out the details. How do you know that the very act of receiving the Eucharist will not actually heal your dear son. What do ya think the Sacrament of the Sick is for? It has happened before.

Yet you doubt and deride the church, when the problem is not the church…it’s you.

Matthew 17:19 Jesus said to them: Because of your unbelief. For, amen I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, Remove from hence hither, and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you.

Matthew 8:26 And Jesus saith to them: Why are you fearful, O ye of little faith? Then rising up he commanded the winds, and the sea, and there came a great calm.

Matthew 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretching forth his hand took hold of him, and said to him: O thou of little faith, why didst thou doubt?

Pax tecum,
 
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geno75:
So tell me, what temple can I find God in today Mr. Militant? We all know the NT states several times that now God does not dwell in temples made by man. So why do the believers need buildings with ornate materials like the temples?

Is this were the church teaches that there is “tradition” and “Tradition”? Then your church must also teach that there is the “word” and also the “Word.”
Don’t attempt to misconstrue part of what I said like that. Deal with the issue.

The topic that you asserted was iconoclasm and I showed you that what you said was not scripturally accurate and that it in fact is the result of fundamentalist Islamic influences from about the 9th century, and not really Christian at all.

You conveniently dodged the whole issue and threw this up in the air to avoid having to deal with the evidence that was presented, and that’s dishonest. If you have no answer just say so…you can go back to your pastor or whatever website you get your info off of and come back later with their best shots. We’ll all still be here and so will the Catholic Church. 🙂

As to your question…I don’t have a problem with a nice church that glorifies God by the respect they show for the very place that they gather to worship Him. God had no problems with the way the temple of Solomon was adorned did he? And if our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, are we not supposed to take the best care of them out of reverence for God? Of course we are!

Your whole post is really a non-answer, and I’m answering just out of courtesy, since it was directed to me.
Pax tecum,
 
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myfavoritmartin:
would someone please share the promises of the rosary with me?
Also, to person above who wished to indicate that I was judging, It is not for me to judge rather to witness and help share the word of the lord, just as all of you are doing.
Might I suggest that if you want to witness to others that you do so to atheists, Buddhists, Hindu and Muslims who do not yet know God’s word.

The form of witnessing that you are undertaking here is not required.
 
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geno75:
For those that cannot read all 123,343,234,323 volumes of the RCC teachings because of oppression in this world, the Holy Bible, the Word of God can be smuggled easier to them. In it is the way, the truth, and the life-Jesus Christ. All those whispers calling out to us in this world that thirst for truth. And the Holy Bible can give it to them.

How do you smuggle sacred tradition to those who are oppressed?
How do people who cannot read come to know the Lord? How did the Gospel get spread until the church decided what books are inspired since they couldn’t just pop down to the Jerusalem Kinko’s and zap off some copies to circulate…couldn’t even do that very well at all until the printing press came along (Oh and what was the first book that was printed? A 73 book Catholic Bible. :eek: )

I really don’t much appreciate your sarcasm and remarks like “For those that cannot read all 123,343,234,323 volumes of the RCC teachings…” since it’s nothing more than derisive mockery. No one has shown you similar discourtesy sir and if this is the way you share your faith, then I suspect that you are wasting your time with us because frankly it’s a pretty lousy “witness”, and I would know because I was one of you for over 34 years and I LOVED sharing my faith. (Still do! Even more now that I cam share what I’ve discovered with people who need it). But I also know what the Word of God says about sharing our faith in 1st Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you. 16 But with modesty and fear, having a good conscience: that whereas they speak evil of you, they may be ashamed who falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Your “style” may be acceptable on whatever anti-Catholic forum you are from, but it’s not acceptable before the Lord, or here among my fellow Catholics and I. I’d appreciate it if you’d either show some Christian charity and respect in your posts as the Word of God says or cease “witnessing” to us. Offending people with sarcasm and derision is nowhere in scripture condoned.
Pax vobiscum,
 
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jennifer101:
You know what? I am not pulling your leg. This is who I am. . I’m as real as it gets, so maybe you’re the one acting?
To one of the other posters… My son has Celiac disease. Tell me where Jesus handed down a recipe to be used exclusively for communion. That’s one tradition that I can happily live without. My endometriosis went away on a gluten free diet, so I won’t be receiving communion anymore because the church is too stubborn to provide gluten free hosts… I know, I know, there’s gluten light hosts available… You live with endometriosis for a year and a half, go gluten free, have the pain go away and tell me if you’d risk eating a gluten full host ever again in your life.
Jennifer,

you would have to be the first woman ever, who has been diagnosed with endometriosis and who has had it cleared up by going on a gluten free diet.

Since you had so much success by taking this step and having this miracle performed for you, perhaps you should sit down and write a book about the diet that you had that cleared up endometriosis, because there are millions of women with this disease who will no doubt be very interested in knowing about such a miracle cure.

As for Caeliac disease, as a matter of fact I know quite a few within my congregation who have the same disease. They have not given up being Catholics because of their diagnosis. One woman is permitted to have a very small piece of the host. It does not do her any harm at all. There are at least three others who provide their own baked hosts that they bring to Mass and provide it for blessing at the same time as all of the other hosts. It is handled very well, and within the requirements of the Catholic Church.

Now about sipping the wine. Well, there is a very tiny piece of the host that is mingled with the wine and the water but this is not going to affect either you or your son during the reception of Holy Communion. There are alternatives that could have been considered, such as going forward to receive first, before others have received from the cup. Also, no other member of the congregation is to dip his or her host into the wine - intinction is forbidden in the Catholic Church. So bam, there goes another excuse.

The disciplines that you mention are there for a purpose - to teach us some form of self-discipline. If you are sick of them, then that is a sign that you are lacking in self-discipline.

As one who had adenomyosis up until going through the menopause, I am no stranger to the internal workings of a woman. You see adenomysosis is the internal version of endometriosis. Adenomyosis is known as a thickening of the lining of the womb. Endometriosis is caused from clots of material from the womb getting into a few spots where it should not be. Normally it affects women who are trying to get pregnant but have not succeeded. So it would be very interesting to know how a gluten free diet could be so successful in treating something that afflicts so many women every month of every year.
 
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geno75:
So Jesus never taught this concept in the gospels?
I was brought up to accept that the Gospels were written after Jesus died, and that they are not a complete picture of everything that He said or did. I believe that it is written towards the end of the Gospel according to St. John, that not everything was written down because there were not enough books in the world (or something like that - I am feeling too lazy to open my Bible at the present time).

Also, the Gospels contain the teachings of Jesus, but Jesus did not teach the Gospels. I think you need to think a little bit more before posting such strange comments.

MaggieOH
 
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jennifer101:
Oh, for goodness sake. Read carefully. I do not have celiac disease. I was dx with endometriosis and if you think that’s lightweight… then you flat out don’t know what you’re talking about. You also don’t know what you’re talking about declaring Celiac Disease as simple as diabetes. There are upwards of 200 possible symptoms of the disease and every Celiac experiences any combination of those symptoms or NONE at all *except the flattening of the villi. In any case, my son’s manifested in the form of what appeared to be asperger’s (mild form of autism). He had too many peptides leaching into his bloodstream and circulating in his brain with their little Opiate effect, fogging his brain. When he went gluten free, he ‘woke up’. I’ve spent the last 5 years working with his schools and therapists to make up for the lost, first three years of his life. It takes a toll on a child to be in a state of brain fog during those formative first years. Today, he’s happy, healthy and still in speech and occupational therapy and a year behind in school. I don’t know of any diabetics that go through all of that ~ but if YOU say so, well then… So, we won’t be taking the low gluten host. There’s too much at stake. And the whole “offering up my pain” gift - I decline the offer. Nothing personal, but I don’t believe in that sentiment at all. I cannot receive that which I don’t acknowledge as real. I think it’s better to pray for your pain to go away without ceasing. I’ll pray for you tonight. Jesus answered my prayers for my pain and for my son’s, so I know he can handle what you have.
Jennifer,

you must think that we are people who are very ill-informed if you think that you can get away with some of your comments here. Asperger’s is associated with Caeliac disease? Wow, I wonder why it is that the medical community is not beating a path to your door to find out all about this connection between Asperger’s syndrome and Caeliac disease?

If you had said that your son was covered in eczema then I might be able to believe that this was his problem. However, that is not coming across in what you are saying. You see, I know people who have had severe eczema and there is a gluten connection between that skin disease and Caeliac disease, but Apserger’s Syndrome?

I am having a lot of problem believing that your son has this disease, just as I am having a problem believing that you cured your endometriosis by going on a gluten free diet. I guess the next step is to go totally no-starch. I have heard that the no-starch diet is equally miraculous when the gullible believe that it will cure the disease.

Whatever happened to believing in Jesus Christ who is the Supreme Healer? Whatever happened to following the Gospel message and praying for that healing to come?

I have just been diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis, and if you think that you know pain… well you have not had something like this. Even though I have been unwell for a time, and it is getting harder to do some things, I remain as a Reader and I continue to act as an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist, tending to those who are disabled and not able to come forward from their seats. You know what, it kills me to walk up the stairs to the choir loft. I do not blame the Church for my pain. Rather, I offer up my pain to God. Try doing the same and then see what blessings are granted in return.
 
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MaggieOH:
. I do not blame the Church for my pain. Rather, I offer up my pain to God.
Let us pray to the Lord. Lord have mercy.

O Lord Almighty, the Healer of our souls and bodies, You Who put down and raise up, Who chastise and heal also; do You now, in Your great mercy, visit our sister, MaggieOH, who is sick. Stretch forth Your hand that is full of healing and health, and get her up from her bed, and cure her of her illness. Put away from her the spirit of disease and of every malady, pain and fever to which she is bound; and if she has sins and transgressions, grant to her remission and forgiveness, in that You love mankind; yea, Lord my God, pity Your creation, through the compassions of Your Only-Begotten Son, together with Your All-Holy, Good and Life-creating Spirit, with Whom You are blessed, both now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.

Let us pray to the Lord. Lord have mercy.

O Lord our God, Who by word alone did heal all diseases, Who did cure the kinswoman of Peter, You Who chastise with pity and heal according to Your goodness; Who are able to put aside every malady and infirmity, do You Yourself, the same Lord, grant aid to this Your servant MaggieOH and cure her of every sickness of which she is grieved; lift her up from her bed of pain, and send down upon her Your great mercy, and if it be Your Will, give to her health and a complete recovery; for You are the Physician of our souls and bodies, and to You do we send up Glory: to Father, and to Son, and to Holy Spirit, both now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
 
csaceliacs.org/celiac_symptoms.php

Ok. I’ve spent the last five years of my life learning what happened to my child. I can understand your reluctance to accept what Celiac Disease actually is. I have family members who cannot comprehend the fact that it’s not an allergy. I’ve provided one link. You can google celiac and symptoms all day long and still not find out all there is to know.

If you look at the list of symptoms you will see a variety that add up to what doctors will sometimes deem “asperger’s” or other forms of autism. The brain fog, the failure to thrive, the mood swings, the inability to concentrate, make connections, verbal skills being delayed - all point to brain dysfunction. Frankly, that’s what’s going on. Kids with autism are being put on Gluten and Casein free diets more and more frequently because they often have exactly what Celiacs have… A LEAKY GUT. The leaky gut allows peptides from the casein and gluten to get into their bloodstream. When this happens, TOO many get in due to the leaky gut. (we all have a little getting through) Too many cause a problem. The “brain blood barrier” cannot prevent the peptides in that abundence from getting into the brain. The peptides get into the brain, causing an “opiate” effect. It’s the same as if they’d been taking opium. They get that dull, drooly, non-verbal glaze in their eyes. When a child like my son, who was an infant when his Celiac kicked in, has this happen… He loses those first formative years. He wasn’t making visual and verbal connections. He was doped all day long on “opiates”. He couldn’t learn like a ‘normal’ kid. When you remove the gluten and casein from the diet of a non-verbal, glazed over autistic child, sometimes their conditions makes a dramatic improvement because the condition was caused by a leaky gut allowing peptides to poison them. Their verbal skills improve. There are some great sites on the internet that support folks using this diet for their autistic children for anyone intertested.

When you have a little child who is experienceing the effects of Celiac in the form of peptide poisoning, you get what appears to be a child with autism, aspergers, or SOME problem. It’s up to the doctor to dx what they think it is. My son was thought to have asperger’s. He didn’t. He has Celiac Disease. What I said in my last post about his “rehabilitation” from the poisoning is all true and continue to be so. Celiac Disease is considered a disability for GOOD reason.

And, finally, you are the one not understanding God. He does NOT want us to hurt our bodies. You are wrong to believe it’s acceptable MEDICALLY to ingest even small amounts of gluten if you are a celiac. A celiac requires a 100% gluten free diet for life. There are no small amounts that are ok. If I can put it in terms you might understand… I don’t know of any. 100% gluten free for life is the best way to describe it… How about a “little sperm”? Is a little sperm enought to cause some major consequences??? How about a little peanut butter, just a drop, barely visible, on the tip of the tounge of a peanut allergic person? Would that be ok?
Celiac is an auto immune disorder. Auto immune diseases “piggyback” one another as my rheumatoligist explained to me. His expert medical advice for my son… "keep him away from even trace amounts of gluten. It’s the only auto immune disease we know how to control. If he aggravates his auto immune system he can develop any one of the other, more devastaing auto immune diseases and we can’t control things like R.A., Lupus, M.S., etc… " He told me to be greatful my son’s Celiac was caught early. Most celiacs go 10 years in this country with their celiac undx and end up finding out only when conditions such as M.S., Graves, diabetes, etc are dx. There is concern that undx celiac is the underlying cause. Constant inflamation caused by the gluten leaves the body susceptable to the other auto immune diseases.
 
Ok… I have to address the snarky comments about my endo being a “miracle” cure . First off, endo is considered an auto immune disease as well. There is no hard reason why our bodies sometimes begin doing this. Drs are puzzled by endo. There is already a long list of associations between gluten and endometriosis. I haven’t had one dr who didn’t believe my going gluten free stopped my excruciating endometriosis pain. I have had drz tell me I’m fortunate because some people try that option and don’t find relief. Look on line. It’s an option for people who suffer with endometriosis. I was fortunate that I’d been doing a gluten free diet with my child for 4 years when I decided to give it a whirl to cure my endo. I knew how to do a 100% gluten free diet. I wonder if some people who try this for endometriosis don’t stick to bieng 100% gluten free. I know that when I tried a bit of french bread one months at the beginning of this … well the endo pain came back so hard with my next cycle, I was house bound for three days. I am 100% gluten free. It does work, it’s nothing to get snotty with me about. How about the miracle was God leading me to all this information… (I’m not the only source of this info. Look it up with your google bar!) I’m just thankful my prayers were answered. NATURALLY not with pills or surgery which I was headed for. NOT to say , that if this disasea of endo is left too long it won’t take on a life of it’s own and be untreatable by a gluten free diet… but I was fortunate in that I only had the worst of it for a year and a half before it dawned on me after much prayer, to try the gluten free diet. I tell my son that his disease was a blessing, a gift that really helped our family. That’s suffering for someone else! Both of us appreciate the guidence from God and will not, ever, eat gluten again. It’s akin to suicide and God wouldn’t approve after all His effort to guide us to the truth.
 
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jennifer101:
Oh, for goodness sake. Read carefully. I do not have celiac disease. I was dx with endometriosis and if you think that’s lightweight… then you flat out don’t know what you’re talking about. You also don’t know what you’re talking about declaring Celiac Disease as simple as diabetes. There are upwards of 200 possible symptoms of the disease and every Celiac experiences any combination of those symptoms or NONE at all *except the flattening of the villi. In any case, my son’s manifested in the form of what appeared to be asperger’s (mild form of autism). He had too many peptides leaching into his bloodstream and circulating in his brain with their little Opiate effect, fogging his brain. When he went gluten free, he ‘woke up’. I’ve spent the last 5 years working with his schools and therapists to make up for the lost, first three years of his life. It takes a toll on a child to be in a state of brain fog during those formative first years. Today, he’s happy, healthy and still in speech and occupational therapy and a year behind in school. I don’t know of any diabetics that go through all of that ~ but if YOU say so, well then… So, we won’t be taking the low gluten host. There’s too much at stake. And the whole “offering up my pain” gift - I decline the offer. Nothing personal, but I don’t believe in that sentiment at all. I cannot receive that which I don’t acknowledge as real. I think it’s better to pray for your pain to go away without ceasing. I’ll pray for you tonight. Jesus answered my prayers for my pain and for my son’s, so I know he can handle what you have.
I am afraid it was you who didn’t read carefully. I never said you had celiac disease. I was commenting on how you treat the disease. Diabetes has devastating side effects such as blindness and amputation of limbs.

I had come to the conclusion in reading your post that you like being on a pity pot or you truly are not Catholic. Nothing in your post reflect a Catholic thougtht but does reflect that which a non-catholict would say: Bible only, I’ll take the wine, don’t believe in tradition, repeating a man made prayer.

You will never get anything out of prayer if you think You are the center of prayer. By asking what I get out of prayer puts you and not God at the center of your worship

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jennifer101:
. . .And the whole “offering up my pain” gift - I decline the offer. Nothing personal, but I don’t believe in that sentiment at all. I cannot receive that which I don’t acknowledge as real. . .
An atheist couldn’t have said it better.

But consider St. Paul’s approach: "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflications for the sake of his body, that is, the church. . .(Col. 1:24).

This is not to say that we shouldn’t seek help from God and from those He has gifted in the medical arts who can cure or alleviate the sicknesses we and our loved ones are prone to in our fallen condition; but when sufferings of any sort come (and they will come), we are invited by Him to join them to those of Our Savior Who unites them to Himself for the salvation of the world. It’s a pity when someone opts-out of that invitation for the suffering remains with no advertence to the infinite value it can have.
 
ok. Then I’m not a Catholic. I’m not arguing with you anymore. Obviously there can only be one personality that thrives here at this chat room. The “Holier than thou” Catholic seems to be the winning trait among the “true Catholics” here. I can not and will not adopt a group tone to appease those who make no room for Catholics who speak with their authentic voice… you know, like me with my problems, my searching, my issues, my doubts, my complaining, my wonder, my hope and all my whatever else you want to slam me with. I’m so very content being alone on this crazy search for understanding compared to being called a liar, a pity partier, an atheist, a fake, an instigator, a person poorly cathecized… I’ll take my search for answers someplace else where people aren’t despised for not knowing the right quotes, along with all the answers. You guys have fun knowing you’re better than all those out there who call themselves Catholics but don’t get it perfectly like you do.

And to make you feel even more superior… I still don’t agree with traditions put forth by men even if they’re called “Pope”. I still will only take my future cues from the bible obeying the first two commands as best I can and work on doing them better every chance I get. I will still pray that the C.C. decides rightly that the focus on the recipe for the Communion host is not the right focus or tradition. I pray that they concede to the TRUTH which is to focus on the spirit of the commandment and feed it’s flock with whatever bread is acceptable to the body of the dinner guest… be it rice bread, wheat bread, potato bread, amaranth bread, Chebe (yucca) bread, or whatever.
 
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jennifer101:
ok. Then I’m not a Catholic. I’m not arguing with you anymore. Obviously there can only be one personality that thrives here at this chat room. The “Holier than thou” Catholic seems to be the winning trait among the “true Catholics” here. I can not and will not adopt a group tone to appease those who make no room for Catholics who speak with their authentic voice… you know, like me with my problems, my searching, my issues, my doubts, my complaining, my wonder, my hope and all my whatever else you want to slam me with. I’m so very content being alone on this crazy search for understanding compared to being called a liar, a pity partier, an atheist, a fake, an instigator, a person poorly cathecized… I’ll take my search for answers someplace else where people aren’t despised for not knowing the right quotes, along with all the answers. You guys have fun knowing you’re better than all those out there who call themselves Catholics but don’t get it perfectly like you do.

And to make you feel even more superior… I still don’t agree with traditions put forth by men even if they’re called “Pope”. I still will only take my future cues from the bible obeying the first two commands as best I can and work on doing them better every chance I get. I will still pray that the C.C. decides rightly that the focus on the recipe for the Communion host is not the right focus or tradition. I pray that they concede to the TRUTH which is to focus on the spirit of the commandment and feed it’s flock with whatever bread is acceptable to the body of the dinner guest… be it rice bread, wheat bread, potato bread, amaranth bread, Chebe (yucca) bread, or whatever.
**The first step toward freedom from anger is to keep the lips silent when the heart is stirred; the next, to keep thoughts silent when the soul is upset; the last, to be totally calm when unclean winds are blowing. **
St. John Climacus
 
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