Sealed with the Holy Spirit? Saved?

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Do some of these Bible quotes seem to support “once saved, always saved”? (Italics and bolding are all mine.)
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   1. “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were **sealed for the day of redemption**.” (Ephesians 4:30)
       
   2. “Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, **who also has sealed us **and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a deposit.” (2 Corinthians 1:21)
       
   3. “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, **having *believed***, you were ***sealed *with the Holy Spirit of promise**, who is the ***guarantee *of our inheritance **until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.” (Ephesians 1:13)
       
   4. “Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has **given us the Spirit as a *guarantee***.” (2 Corinthians 5:5 )
Sealed is pretty strong language meaning that it cannot be broken (especially considering that this is God), and in these cases it seems to indicate at first glance that the whole deal is done, especially 1 and 3. Moreover, I’ve noticed that in a lot of the epistles of Paul, the emphasis is on a single event of conversion, rather than on confessing sins every time. Also, does Christ’s having died on the cross for all sins “past, present, and future” mean that we are already forgiven even before we confess? Thanks.
 
Do some of these Bible quotes seem to support “once saved, always saved”? (Italics and bolding are all mine.)
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   1. “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were **sealed for the day of redemption**.” (Ephesians 4:30)
       
   2. “Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, **who also has sealed us **and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a deposit.” (2 Corinthians 1:21)
       
   3. “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, **having *believed***, you were ***sealed ***with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the ***guarantee ***of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.” (Ephesians 1:13)
       
   4. “Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has **given us the Spirit as a *guarantee***.” (2 Corinthians 5:5 )
Sealed is pretty strong language meaning that it cannot be broken (especially considering that this is God), and in these cases it seems to indicate at first glance that the whole deal is done, especially 1 and 3. Moreover, I’ve noticed that in a lot of the epistles of Paul, the emphasis is on a single event of conversion, rather than on confessing sins every time. Also, does Christ’s having died on the cross for all sins “past, present, and future” mean that we are already forgiven even before we confess? Thanks.
I can only give personal opinion on this one, have to give my 2 cents here since it doesn’t look like it’s being given any response, and it’s a valid question here.

I have to put into context, the seal is not a license to say, once saved, always saved no matter what, but it’s a level of commitment, with you and our Lord, to keep you on the straight and narrow. A tighter element compared to before, where things could still easily still go either way, you are drawn closer a his child, so as one, expect to face more strict discliplen from him as well as more direct graces at the same time.

Believe me, I guess he’s really taking a shine to me, for it’s been very, very, and I mean, very rough since I was sealed, but at the same time, things I’m receiving, grace wise, are also very, very, and I mean, very good at the same time. Things I’ve been seeking my entire life, have been given to me, things I have been totally frustrated with, now almost completely gone, life still is harder now then before to many degrees, and it’s due to the transition, I’m being pushed very hard to grow past myself, past thinking of me and my situation, and I like this new me in that context, for my world is no longer about me, yet at the same time, the people that are in my life now are much higher quality and, even though I spend a lot of time alone, I’m not lonely, which is a huge breakthrough here, for I used to be extremely lonely most of, if not all of my life.

With that above context, if I were to die now, I would be “technically” flawed, and I have learned that I cannot do it myself along achieving perfection, yet keeping in this state of being, I have no fear of death, and I guess that’s the point and stage one must achieve before they know they are actually saved or not. I can tomorrow, completely blow it all, condemn myself to hell itself, and lose the grace I have, but I hope I do not do that, so back to the not always saved element.

Your learning curve here is, are you focused entirely upon just following guidlines to “earn” your way, or do you really know that you are a wretched sinner in absolute need of God’s grace? I don’t know about you, but I used to always try to do my best, then fooled myself into thinking I’m living a sin-less life, only to be forced into a rude awakening. We all have to learn that lesson, sadly, many of us never do, until the very end.
 
Do some of these Bible quotes seem to support “once saved, always saved”?
Sure. You can quote selected verses from Scripture to “prove” almost anything. Don’t forget that Satan quoted Scripture when he was tempting Jesus.

It is also possible to assemble a list of verses that “prove” that we cannot take our salvation for granted, that we must perservere until the end of our lives, must continue to obediently do the works for which we have been saved, press on always for the prize and not be arrogant, lest we be cut away from the vine to which we have been grafted.

This is why we must read all of Scripture as a whole, and under the guidance of the Church to whom Jesus promised the Holy Spirit’s guidance.
 
Hi Awatkins,

“Sealed” does not mean sealed (closed) like an envelope. It is a "mark"signifying that you belong to God. Here’s how itis explaiend in the Catechism :

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An indelible spiritual mark . . .​

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1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation.[82] Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.
1273 Incorporated into the Church by Baptism, the faithful have received the sacramental character that consecrates them for Christian religious worship.[83] The baptismal seal enables and commits Christians to serve God by a vital participation in the holy liturgy of the Church and to exercise their baptismal priesthood by the witness of holy lives and practical charity.[84] 1274 The Holy Spirit has marked us with the seal of the Lord (“Dominicus character”) “for the day of redemption.”[85] “Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life.”[86] The faithful Christian who has “kept the seal” until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life “marked with the sign of faith,”[87] with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.
Verbum
 
The verses in question have been brought up to me in discussions I have had with people who believe in “Once Saved Always Saved”. However they really don’t prove this belief when looked at properly.

The quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church listed above is a good explanation of what this seal is referring to, our Baptismal seal. Baptism is how we recieve the Holy Spirit. However it does not guarantee heaven. Another verse of scripture that I like to bring up to show this is:

Revelation 20:3 and threw it into the abyss, which he locked over it and sealed, so that it could no longer lead the nations astray until the thousand years are completed. After this, it is to be released for a short time.

However we see that Satan (the “it” whom the verse above is speaking about regarding the seal) is released from under the seal:

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are completed, **Satan will be released from his prison. **

Now the same greek word, sphragizo, is used in Revelation 20:3 as in Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, and Ephesians 1:13, the first three verses mentioned in the original thread. This can be proved from a Protestant website if that would help. Here is a link to the site:

blueletterbible.org/

As for the last verse brought up, 2 Corinthians 5:5, the New American Bible has that verse written as followed:

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now the one who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a first installment.

This translation gives us a better understanding of what the verse is actually referring to, our first installment, not our guarantee.

Also, there are some scripture verses that can be used to prove that we can in fact lose our salvation. I’ll list some of them below:

1 John 5:16-17
Galatians 5:19-21
Ehesians 5:3-5
Colossians 3:5-6
Revelation 22:19
1 Corinthians 9:27
1 Corinthians 12:3 in unison with Matthew 7:21

There are other verses as well that can be brought up, but these should suffice.

Now regarding the question of Christ death for our past, present, and future sins making us forgiven already even before we confess. There is a difference between the redemption of Christ’s death on the cross and our own justification. Christ died for the entire world (John 3:16) but we have to choose whether or not we accept this. Everyone can be forgiven of any sin (Matthew 12:31) but we have to actually ask for forgiveness and accept it when God offers it to us. If everything was finished on the cross 2000 years ago, then everyone would automatically go to heaven, but we know this is not so (Revelation 20:15).

Christ’s death secured the possibility for everyone to be forgiven of their sins and go to heaven, but it is left up to us whether or not we accept Him, His death, His forgiveness, and His teachings. This is what exactly what the definition of faith is. Here is another quote from the Catechism:

Faith

1814 Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself. By faith "man freely commits his entire self to God."78 For this reason the believer seeks to know and do God’s will. “The righteous shall live by faith.” Living faith "work(s) through charity."79

78 DV 5.

79 ⇒ Rom 1:17; ⇒ Gal 5:6.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P66.HTM

The very fact that we can lose our salvation shows that even after our initial justification by the Sacrament of Baptism (John 3:5, Acts 2:38-39, 1 Peter 3:20-21, Mark 16:16, Romans 6:1-7, Matthew 3:16-17) we still need to ask for forgiveness for our future sins, especially the mortal ones, in order to be forgiven, or else we would never lose our salvation in the first place. The proper way to ask for this forgiveness is through the Sacrament of Confession (John 20:21-23, James5:16, 1 John 5:16-17). Our justification includes sanctification as well. Let’s take a look at how the Catechism states it:

I. Justification

1987 The grace of the Holy Spirit has the power to justify us, that is, to cleanse us from our sins and to communicate to us “the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ” and through Baptism:34

But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. For we know that Christ being raised from the dead will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves as dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.35

1988 Through the power of the Holy Spirit we take part in Christ’s Passion by dying to sin, and in his Resurrection by being born to a new life; we are members of his Body which is the Church, branches grafted onto the vine which is himself:36

(God) gave himself to us through his Spirit. By the participation of the Spirit, we become communicants in the divine nature… For this reason, those in whom the Spirit dwells are divinized.37

1989 The first work of the grace of the Holy Spirit is conversion, effecting justification in accordance with Jesus’ proclamation at the beginning of the Gospel: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."38 Moved by grace, man turns toward God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high. "**Justification is not only the remission of sins, but also the sanctification and renewal of the interior man.**39

34 ⇒ Rom 3:22; cf. ⇒ 6:3-4.

35 ⇒ Rom 6:8-11.

36 Cf. ⇒ 1 Cor 12; ⇒ Jn 15:1 4.

37 St. Athanasius, Ep. Serap. 1, 24: PG 26, 585 and 588.

38 ⇒ Mt 4:17.

39 Council of Trent (1547): DS 1528.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6Y.HTM

I hope this helps.

May God bless you and Mary keep you in her prayers always.

YinandYang
 
Many thanks! What do we mean by “first inheritance” though? How could this be confused with guarantee? Excuse my ignorance. Please do explain.
 
Many thanks! What do we mean by “first inheritance” though? How could this be confused with guarantee? Excuse my ignorance. Please do explain.
Have not read all the above but on this one:

In him you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, which is the** guarantee** of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. (RSV Eph 1:13) (other translations have the sense of this last part as until God takes his possession…that is of us fully…both seem to be possible translations)

One of my favorite verses… 🙂

The word here for guarantee is “arrabon” which means down payment (like the down payment of a house…which also is called a “guarantee” by the way…and it already are part of the payment for the house) It does not mean that one can not loose ones salvation (plenty of ink has been spilled to show that…)

(understanding and example drawn from Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture…et al–also the volume on 2 Cor goes into it as well…)

And the Navarre mentions that a seal was the mark used as a guarantee of future payment …(not to say there are not other meanings of seal …see CCC and Navarre and the CCSS)

But yes the Holy Spirit is a down payment…a guarantee of our inheritance (so long as we do not dis-inherit ourselves! and die that way) and the beginning of it…the first installment as you say.

"Finally, according to St Paul, the Spirit is a generous downpayment given to us by God himself as a deposit and at the same time, a guarantee of our future inheritance (cf. II Cor 1: 22; 5: 5; Eph 1: 13-14). "–Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061115_en.html
 
Moreover, I’ve noticed that in a lot of the epistles of Paul, the emphasis is on a single event of conversion, rather than on confessing sins every time. Also, does Christ’s having died on the cross for all sins “past, present, and future” mean that we are already forgiven even before we confess? Thanks.
  1. Paul speaks on on going conversion in his letters as well…
  2. We have been redeemed on the cross…and are forgiven when we repent etc. (God is of course outside time and sees all which is past present or future for us…as a kind of present…)
For a good understanding of Paul I think you will find these audiences of Pope Benedict XVI interesting…

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061025_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061108_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061115_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061122_en.html

Series from the Year of St. Paul

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080702_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080827_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080903_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080910_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080924_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081001_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081008_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081015_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081022_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081029_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081105_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081112_en.html

Faith and works in these two:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081119_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081126_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081203_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081210_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090107_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090114_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090128_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090204_en.html

books that contain them:

ignatius.com/Products/SPAUL-H/saint-paul.aspx

ignatius.com/Products/JAEC-H/jesus-the-apostles-and-the-early-church.aspx
 
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