Second person of trinity

[MindNight]

Since both the father, the son, and the holy spirit are equally the one and fully god, how come does the Second person of the trinity (Jesus) get the most praise?? To make it clear what I want to address: if you take a look at the judgment day issue, it is the son who will judge mankind, but why not the holy spirit or the father for example?

 

[Jon_S_1]

Since both the father, the son, and the holy spirit are equally the one and fully god, how come does the Second person of the trinity (Jesus) get the most praise?? To make it clear what I want to address: if you take a look at the judgment day issue, it is the son who will judge mankind, but why not the holy spirit or the father for example?

It is the mystery of the Trinity. They are all one and the same, but presented to us differently. Jesus was God incarnate and walked the earth with us. We can thus easily identify with him and of course his atonement on the cross is our salvation.

You can’t think of them as separate. As Jesus said, “I and the Father are one” or. “Before Abraham was I AM”. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the one God.

 

[Della]

If you look at the liturgies of the Church, they are addressed to God the Father through God the Son by the power of the Holy Spirit. So, all three are definitely acknowledged and worshiped as God. It may appear that the Son gets all the attention, but this is actually not the case.

Since Jesus became one of us, it is only right and just that he judge us as a fellow man. Having been through this earthly life, as we have, he can justly say that he understands us and knows what makes us who we are. Not that the Father doesn’t know this, of course, nor the Holy Spirit, but in the Trinity’s infinite wisdom, the Son was chosen to take on the task of redeeming man in the flesh while the Father authorized the Son’s mission and the Holy Spirit operated in the Son, as man, to do the Father’s will as the Son aligned his human will with that of the Father.

It’s very complex, I know, and I’m certainly no Trinitarian theologian, but that’s how I understand it. If I have any particulars wrong I ask to be corrected.

 

[meltzerboy]

If you look at the liturgies of the Church, they are addressed to God the Father through God the Son by the power of the Holy Spirit. So, all three are definitely acknowledged and worshiped as God. It may appear that the Son gets all the attention, but this is actually not the case.

Since Jesus became one of us, it is only right and just that he judge us as a fellow man. Having been through this earthly life, as we have, he can justly say that he understands us and knows what makes us who we are. Not that the Father doesn’t know this, of course, nor the Holy Spirit, but in the Trinity’s infinite wisdom, the Son was chosen to take on the task of redeeming man in the flesh while the Father authorized the Son’s mission and the Holy Spirit operated in the Son, as man, to do the Father’s will as the Son aligned his human will with that of the Father.

It’s very complex, I know, and I’m certainly no Trinitarian theologian, but that’s how I understand it. If I have any particulars wrong I ask to be corrected.

One thing you stated doesn’t sound right to me within the context of a Trinitarian notion of G-d: “The Father authorized the Son’s mission.” If the Christian belief is of one G-d, how can the Father do this without any suggestion of separate entities?

 

[Jon_S_1]

One thing you stated doesn’t sound right to me within the context of a Trinitarian notion of G-d: “The Father authorized the Son’s mission.” If the Christian belief is of one G-d, how can the Father do this without any suggestion of separate entities?

I agree with your observation.

The mystery of the trinity often leads our temporal minds to treat the 3 persons as separate entities but to do so is innately incorrect. All three persons are one and the same

 

[Della]

One thing you stated doesn’t sound right to me within the context of a Trinitarian notion of G-d: “The Father authorized the Son’s mission.” If the Christian belief is of one G-d, how can the Father do this without any suggestion of separate entities?

The Church teaches that the persons of the Trinity are each their own person, but not separate entities. How this can be is part of the mystery of the Trinity. But, as I understand it (others will no doubt correct me if I’m wrong), is that the Father’s love engenders the Son and their mutual love engenders the Holy Spirit. Thus, God shares his love even within his own being (giving us the example of love within the family, for instance), as well as sending it out into the universe he created, especially in his two most loved creatures, us and the angels. His infinite love is eternally being expressed in three persons who are the same essence and being.

 

[Pete_Holter]

To make it clear what I want to address: if you take a look at the judgment day issue, it is the son who will judge mankind, but why not the holy spirit or the father for example?

Hi, MindNight!

Augustine discusses this issue here. I hope that this helps and that you will quickly find yourself satisfied in the Catholic Church.

With love in Christ,
Pete

 

[AmbroseSJ]

One thing you stated doesn’t sound right to me within the context of a Trinitarian notion of G-d: “The Father authorized the Son’s mission.” If the Christian belief is of one G-d, how can the Father do this without any suggestion of separate entities?

This is why wording in Theology is so important. However, the three Persons of the Trinity are all ONE GOD. There are not three separate entities. Persons here is a theological word that was decided on in the 4th c. Jesus said "I am in the Father, and the Father is in me. The most important thing to remember always, is that there is only ONE GOD. Christians are Monotheists. The nature of His being (the Trinity) was REVEALED by Jesus Christ, Himself the Incarnate Word of the Trinity. This is a theme that Christians have devoted much theology to over the ages.

Is it really so unbelievable that our ONE GOD would have a nature so far superior and so impossible to comprehend? Is it really any more difficult than imagining a GOD with NO beginning and no end?

If one does accept the Trinity, it is also wonderful to see how it is slowly and mysteriously alluded to even in the Old Testament. One sees God addressing himself in the plural, the 3 strangers that visited Abraham, and many other instances, that are only apparent if one believes in the Trinity.

 

[JimG]

The Son judges us because He is one of us–a human being.

He is also God, fully possessing the divine nature. But only the person of the Son took on a human nature and became man.

The three Persons are distinct persons, but they are not distinct beings. One nature, one being, one divine essence; three Persons.