Secular Carmelites and those curious

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Hi Jen,

I tried again with the new link, and the paper does show a brief headline, but when you try to obtain the fuller story, they require too much information, including e-mail, real name and home address. Sorry.

If you see something therein that you believe is worth sharing here, perhaps you can give us an excerpt. It looks as though they are a canonical chapter of nuns, but is there a third order connected to them?
 
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Joysong:
I tried your link, but one has to be registered in order to read it.
Try bugmenot.com to get fake registrations for sites which require it. In this case, I used for username “wally@trashmail.net” and for passowrd “wally”.

HTH

:blessyou:
 
They are a group of nuns. Yes there is a 3rd order connected to them.

I apologize ahead of time since it is long but I shall copy the article here.

Sancta Clara offers life of prayer
Sunday, February 13, 2005

By LINDSAY GEBHART Repository staff writer

{there is a picture here of the sister and you can click for more pics}
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STILLNESS. Sister Anna is the oldest nun at Sancta Clara Monastery. She was born March 14, 1915, and recently celebrated her 70th anniversary of religious life.

PLAIN TWP. – Just before dawn, Sancta Clara MonasteryÍs nuns stir behind its cold stone walls.

Second-story bedroom lights turn on, then off, as the nuns head

down the stairs, then across the winding hallways that lead to the chapel, where they settle in a half circle for morning prayer.

Sister Anna, the oldest of the 10 nuns at the monastery, closes her eyes, whispering her prayers. The nuns begin to murmur prayers in unison, many clutching worn Bibles with tattered pages.

They then stand and trickle out of the chapel, past stained-glass windows radiating with the rising sun. The only sounds are their soft greetings and the swish of their long habits.

Quiet prayer is the pillar of life at the Sancta Clara Monastery on Market Avenue near 44th Street NE. The monastery, home of the Poor Clare Nuns of Perpetual Adoration, is marked by a small, faded sign. The order is contemplative, which means the nuns spend most of their time in prayer rather than working with the public. They are also cloistered, which means they stay inside the converted Tudor mansion whenever possible. Exceptions are when they go shopping or to medical appointments.

The Poor Clares at Sancta Clara range in age from 34 to 89. They wear clothing symbolic of their poverty „ brown, shapeless robes and rope belts tied at the waist. Each fully initiated nun wears a thin silver ring symbolizing her marriage to Christ.

The two striking features of the cloister are its silence and its colors „ dull yellows and institutional greens that cover the furniture and hallways.

The nuns have a regular schedule of alternating group prayer and individual activities six days a week; one day a week is unstructured.

Each has a specialized task. In the past Sister Anna sewed and did needlepoint; now her failing eyesight doesnÍt permit those tasks or her favorite pastime „ reading mystery novels.

She grew up in a working-class home in Cleveland with her Yugoslavian immigrant parents, who spoke only Slovak. Anna learned English in school, and never knew how to read, write or speak fluently in her parentsÍ language. She said her parents learned how to speak some English in their late years, but as a child she was timid and accepted what was.

ñI understood the feelings of the words, like if I was being scolded,î Sister Anna said. ñI could answer in broken Slovakian.î

She was very shy. When she drew pictures of herself, it was as a turtle with its head in its shell.

ñI didnÍt fit in. I didnÍt learn how to skate or swim or drive a car,î she recalled.

She decided to join the order after her mother visited an open house at St. PaulÍs Catholic Church in Chardon.

ñShe said, ïThey never go out „ nobody can see them.Í ThatÍs how she explained the cloistered life,î Anna said.

Religious life had never really appealed to her, but cloistered living did because it centered around a quiet life.

ñItÍs in me to be hidden,î she said. A few days later, she told her parents she was going to join the order.

ñMy fatherÍs face lit up „ I knelt next to him and he blessed me. It was one of the best moments of my life,î she said.

Her friends and suitors were surprised.

ñI wasnÍt stone. There was a boy I loved,î she said. ñI still love to dance to polka.î

At 18, Sister Anna left her parentsÍ house on July 2, 1933, and traveled to the Poor ClaresÍ convent on West 40th Street. It was raining hard, and all she brought with her was the black dress she was wearing. She went inside and never saw her parents again.
 
continuing…
After dinner, the Sancta Clara nuns sit in the community room, a large living room in the cloister with a couch, coffee table and 10 chairs set in a wide circle. They discuss the love energy of prayer, living in radical poverty and finding fulfillment in sisterhood. They say that even this activity is prayerful, that they are worshipping God by finding him in one another.

The Poor Clares date their origins to the 13th century when the Franciscan movement began with St. Francis of Assisi in Italy. The Catholic Church teaches that Francis of Assisi heard the call of God, who said, –Go rebuild my church, because itês fallen into ruin.”

The saint first took the command literally and rebuilt several churches destroyed by war, said Sister Joan Marie, a former Notre Dame nun and teacher who has been at Sancta Clara for 20 years. She said his focus changed after people began to follow him.

–The church God was talking about was its people. (The Vatican) was fat and rich and wasnêt caring for the poor,” Sister Joan Marie said.

The orderês patron saint, St. Clare of Assisi, heard about Francis and left her parentsê home to join him. Using Francisê beliefs as a template, she began her own order. It encouraged women to be single in a time when they were valued most as barter in marriage. She and Francis encouraged men and women to balance their feminine and masculine qualities.

Clareês legacy is that she is the only woman to have written a rule, or code of conduct, for a religious order; men always wrote the rules before.

The nuns said the order makes them proud to be women and promotes feminine growth.

–All the beauty God has created within us comes out,” Sister Marion said. –You become fully women the more you know Jesus.”

After she was in the order for a year, Sister Annaês order offered to send one nun to a new Poor Clares convent in what was then Pakistan and is now India. Sister Anna and another nun volunteered; the nuns at the monastery voted to send Sister Anna. After three weeks on a ship out of New York City, she arrived at the convent, then in the province of Bengal and now in the independent nation of Bangladesh. It became her home for 34 years.

–It was a pagan country. We wanted to bring Christ,” Sister Anna said.

India was then home to Mother Teresa and her order of sisters working among the poor. Sister Annaês work was drastically different; she focused on prayer as the way to help the people.

On their way to evening prayer, Sisters Magdalen and Gertrude walk down a sunlit hallway of Sancta Clara, holding hands and leaning together, giggling.

The order has undergone massive changes since the Second Vatican Council in the early ê60s, which changed many of the Roman Catholic Churchês practices. The changes included saying Mass in a congregationês native language, rather than Latin, and having the priest face the congregation.

Sister Marion said her order experienced other changes after Vatican II; the nuns became social with one another and the role of poverty and community evolved.

Before the change, the nuns seldom felt human touch and werenêt allowed to leave the cloister, even to attend their parentsê funerals. They went from being barefoot and wearing face veils around outsiders to living with some comfort ã things such as nylons, chairs with padding and less-restrictive head coverings…

The changes went beyond appearance and living space, Sister Marion said. Before Vatican II, the nuns followed orders without question. Now they are free to question the rules and work as a community to make decisions.

–We went to love,” Sister Marion said, instead of focusing nearly exclusively on the rules.
 
Sister Mary Francis, who was in the order before and after the council, said the changes opened the rigid structure. Now the nuns define their vow of poverty by asking themselves if they really need an item or if it is too lavish.

–In the early years, you didnêt have a sense of who you were,” she said. –We were much more austere. Now, a little comfort supports my convictions.”

cont…

Sister Anna said that when she joined the order in Cleveland, it was so strict that the mother superior chastised her for eating her toast “like a mouse” instead of breaking it into little pieces. She said she was so worried about following the rules she couldnêt focus on God.

“You were afraid to move,” she said. “It didn’t help me grow.”

The monastery in India was less strict than those in the United States because the conditions there were so difficult. Sister Anna said the nunsê biggest struggles were against nature. Mosquitoes gave her malaria several times, monsoons forced the sisters to travel through the city in canoes, and the heat meant they had to change their white habits several times a day.

Food was scarce, monotonous and expensive ã every day consisted of curry and rice.

Sister Anna said she often was lonely.

Her situation improved when, after 10 years, she was made the extern of the convent. That put her in charge of shopping and communicating with the public.

She constantly ran into the poor and diseased who crowded her street. A man with leprosy, missing his hands and part of his face, began to visit the monastery’s courtyard. When she first met him, his appearance horrified her so much she couldn’t look at him. Eventually, "I began to like him, or even love him,“Sister Anna said. –He needed love.”

Sister Anna decided to leave India after she wandered to the American embassy one day. She said the U.S. flag waving on the top of the building told her it was time to go back. She notified her convent, then wrote the pope asking to be moved. He gave his permission, and she found a convent in America that accepted her.

In 1968, she returned to America.

Though she’s been back for more than 30 years, she said, “My dreams are still there (in India), in the streets: I’m lost, I can’t find the shop I’m looking for among the strangers,” she said.

As night closes in on Sancta Clara, the nuns part ways to go to their bedrooms. Sister Annaês is decorated with unicorns, which she said remind her of the resurrection of Jesus. She said she has no advice to give about how people live their lives, except that it should be with God.

And, she added, “If you want to see the world, join a cloister.”

Too bad you can’t get it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Oh well at least you can read it now. Once again I am totally amazed that this was a front page feature.

Peace,
Jen
 
Dear Augustine,

:rotfl: You are a life-saver! It constantly amazes me how there is always somebody thinking and finding ways to beat the system! Thanks so much for the info!!!

Dear Jen,

Yes, it’s really a magnificent tribute to God when we read about dedicated lives such as these women have committed themselves to. I just have really good feelings about this for you! 👍
 
On a great note of personal joy, I have, through the generousity and prayers of members of this thread, been able to make contact with the OCDS. I have been trying for so many years to make contact and have failed many many times. I have sent letters and received no reply etc.

I received an email from the Provincial giving me details of who to contact and details of a new secular group starting near to my home base of Naas.

I guess for me the most amazing thing is that the process I have so desired, began on the 14th of Feb. the day after Sr Lucia died.

My thanks to you all for illuminating the way. I will pray for you all at Holy Mass and in my Rosary.

I will let you know of my progress, in the meantime please pray for me my dear friends and I will for you.
 
Dear Fergal,

Wonderful news! Thanks for the update, and we will surely pray for you as you begin your novitiate in Carmel.:dancing:

God bless you always,
Carole
 
Dear Fergal

Thank God!! Great news. I will keep you in my prayers and before the Blessed Sacrament, please remember to say a little prayer for me

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
Hi Fergal -

Wonderful news 👍

Know, too, you will continue to be in my prayers. I really look forward to hearing how things progress.
 
Thank you my friends for your powerful support.
Today (Friday) I met with the Spiritual Assistant who has guided me to a new group who have come together since December. I will join them in March 14th with a view to heading into the first set of formation years leading to first promises.
God Bless and thanks again.
 
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Fergal:
Thank you my friends for your powerful support.
Today (Friday) I met with the Spiritual Assistant who has guided me to a new group who have come together since December. I will join them in March 14th with a view to heading into the first set of formation years leading to first promises.
God Bless and thanks again.
What a wonderful example of how good things come to those who wait. Your perserverence has paid off for you, my friend. I’m very happy for you. 👍
 
Jenlyn- what a great discovery that you made, finding the Order that was just right for you! God was really speaking to your heart, when you saw that article. God works in mysterious ways.

May God bless you and continue to guide you in your spiritual journey.

Deacon Tony
 
ich bin deutscher Katholik, und ich hoffe, denselben Prozess bald durchzugehen. de jerheimer
 
Greetings! 🙂 😛 🙂 :o I am very interested in this order and would love to know more about how meetings are run, why you like/dislike it, how it helps you grow in perfect union with Christ. Maybe you might let me know how I should prepare for a very first meeting! Thank you in advance for your kindness in answering my questions! :cool:
 
Greetings! 🙂 😛 🙂 :o I am very interested in this order and would love to know more about how meetings are run, why you like/dislike it, how it helps you grow in perfect union with Christ. Maybe you might let me know how I should prepare for a very first meeting! Thank you in advance for your kindness in answering my questions! :cool:
Hi AveSantaMaria -

My gosh this is an old thread! 🙂 I think a lot of what you asked was addressed in the early pages of this thread. If not, feel free to PM me and I can answer any specific questions you might have.

Blessings to you in your possible discernment. 🙂

In Carmel,
Dave. 🙂
 
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