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gorman64
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icxc nika:
I’m defending the truth here. It’s not personal.
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After Vatican I, I believe that schism became heresy…as the primacy of the Roman Pontiff was defined in that Council.
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Gorman
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Dear icxc nika,I was simply asking a question. I wonder why you are soooo defensive.
I’m defending the truth here. It’s not personal.
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I notice you don’t address the charge of schism…do you deny that the Roman Church considers you schismatic?The Orthodox church has NEVER been considered heretical by the RCC.
After Vatican I, I believe that schism became heresy…as the primacy of the Roman Pontiff was defined in that Council.
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Really? What is your proof for that one?Furthermore, the Orthodox have always been Catholic, whether or not you believe otherwise.
The Catholic Church holds the correct position. It matters not what a schismatic church thinks about it.I am simply asking a question in regards to the laying of hands, and if any SV bishops are claimed to have the proper ordination, and if so, which of the SV bishops.
It matters only what the Church says about it…if they are validly ordained according to the norms of sacramental theology…then they are valid Bishops.Laslty is it the opinion of the non SV Catholics that the SV bishops do have the proper ordiniation, if it is true that the SV’s claim to have the laying of the hands.
Gorman
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PIUS IX [Letter Jam vos omnes, September 13, 1868, to Protestants and other non-Catholics]Now, anyone who wishes to examine with care and to meditate on the condition of the different religious societies divided among themselves and separated from the Catholic Church…will easily be convinced that no one of these societies nor all of them together in any way constitute or are that one Catholic Church which Our Lord founded and established and which He willed to create. Nor is it possible, either, to say that these societies are either a member or part of this same Church, since they are visibly separated from Catholic unity.
PIUS IX [Encyclical Quartus supra, January 6, 1873, to the Armenians]He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church, since he is already a sinner and a schismatic who raises up a chair against the one Chair of Peter, from which flow to all others the sacred rights of communion.
PIUS IX [Encyclical Etsi multa, November 21, 1873]The very first elements of Catholic doctrine teach that no one can be considered a legitimate bishop if he is not united by the communion of faith and charity with the Rock on which the Church of Christ is built, if he does not adhere to the Supreme Pastor to whom are confided all the sheep so that he may feed them, and if he is not bound to him who has the office of confirming his brethren who are in the world.
LEO XIII [Letter Officio sanctissimo, December 22, 1887, to the
Bishops of Bavaria] But he who in his manner of thinking and acting would separate himself from his shepherd and from his Sovereign Pastor, the Roman Pontiff, has no further bond with Christ: “He that heareth you, heareth me, he that despiseth you, despiseth me” (Luke X: 16). Whoever is estranged from Christ does not reap; he scatters.