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My husband and I have always put our needs aside to make the lives of children as comfortable as possible in every way. .
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I don’t mean this in a critical or judgmental way, but to suggest you review together the reasons you have always chosen this way of thinking and managing your life and finances, review the results, and if necessary re-assess the conclusion. Are those reasons still valid? Why at this stage of your life, children having completed at least their basic college education, you are not focusing on your own needs, health care, retirement planning etc? Are you together on this or is it causing conflict between you?
 
Dear CM

You are 40 and yet what you went through with your parents in your growing years, you talk about it with a sense of sadness and pain. You strongly feel they should have let you do think your way, which would have made your happier even if you would make mistakes.

I could connect and relate to what you wrote. I tried to understand what’s going on in my son’s mind or psyche. I want to mend my relations with my son, or rather I wish he could mend his ways with me and my husband. And I really don’t know how. My son has been absolutely independant in decision making (except financially) ever since he graduated from high school. I wish he wouldn’t hold grudges over incidents in the past and we can have a loving relationship. There are certain times, when he is in a good mood and we do things together like watch T.V. together or he takes me for a movie or we go the Mall together or he talks to me as I cook in the kitchen. I feel so happy to see the nice and loving side of him. I know he can be quite normal and nice if he wishes to. By default, he feels more in control when he demonstrates his negative behavior with us. I don’t know why he have to succumb to the mean side of him and bring it out most of the time.

Thankyou for sharing about what you went through and why my son might be behaving the way he does.
 
Dear Charlotte 1776,

My parents on the contrary taught me to depend upon myself. I had to fight my own battles and advocate for myself, while growing up. Deep inside I could never understand why. I wish they were more supportive and more protective and did things for me like other parents did. I was scared inside growing up, because they would just expect me to take care of myself. There was food on the table and my expenses met. I wish my mom was there to do a lot more than that. I was always very independant and productive but I always missed their attention or extra care. Whatever I felt I missed when I was growing up (I don’t mean materially), I provided all the support I can for my kids. My daughter has no complains. She has a beautiful relation with us. In fact she says, she couldnt have asked for better parents. I am not defending myself. I haven’t treated my son any different from my daughter. Today she is working, independant and is doing fine with a positive attitude, a helpful dispostion and good friends. I have been going through everyone’s replies. I might have been wrong. Should have put my foot down. Cut relations. Throw him out. Is there a better way, a more peaceful way…Each waking day, I wish things would turn out for better between us and him.
 
Dear Nursery worker,

Thanks for your advice. I was visualising what would be the outcome if I were to follow your advice. I wish I could find the tuffness from within to do something like this. There were times, when we did exercise some tuff rules and stuck to it. And he would calm down for a while and then revert to the same habits.

Currently he doesnot live with us. A week ago, he has left to join Graduate school and is living on campus. He would come down for Christmas. But that doesnot solve the issue of how he deals with us or treats us. Just before he left, we were deeply saddened by his outburts and aggressive behaviour, a sad memory of him just before he left for something important and it would be a while when we see him next.
 
Dear Puzzleannie,

Today I wish we didnt put ‘some’ our needs ‘aside’ to make our children’s life comfortable as they were growing up, placing them first always. My husband and I don’t have major conflicting views. My daughter is working. My son has promised to look for a job to support his education. Now that the children are grown, we have begun to focus on our needs. My husband and I both pursue our individual hobbies and activities, and I have more time now on my hands which I spend in fulfilling ways. None of this fills the void in me, asif I failed as a mother and I have lost him. As a parent, as a mother, I don’t want a strained relation with my son. I love him and wish his attitude and behaviour change towards us, which can happen only if he wishes. Wish God would bring about this change.
 
Dear Charlotte 1776,

My parents on the contrary taught me to depend upon myself. I had to fight my own battles and advocate for myself, while growing up. Deep inside I could never understand why. I wish they were more supportive and more protective and did things for me like other parents did. I was scared inside growing up, because they would just expect me to take care of myself.
The best thing to do is have a middle ground. I think our parents were on opposite sides of the extreme.
During the teen years, the fact of the matter is that children need to be prepared to enter the real world and support themselves. At some point mom and dad have to gradually stop doing everything for their children. It doesn’t mean suddenly abandoning them because they are still there for support, encouragement, and advice. They need to transition from a caretaking to a support/advisory role.
For instance, my parents pestered my brother to get a job for months, aquired and filled out applications for him, told him who to put as references, and told him what to wear for the interview. At 20, those are all things he could have and should have done for himself.
 
I have a daughter who is 24 and working and lives away from home. My son is 23 and has recently joined college for a graduate program.

My husband and I have always put our needs aside to make the lives of children as comfortable as possible in every way. They were great as kids, good grades, very loving towards family and friends, helpful at home, responsible. My daughter turned out fine. My son was actively involved in sport like basket ball and table tennis. He won lots of prizes in various competitions at school for poetry recitation, drawing, music. He got great grades at school till his final year high school. It all started in his high school. One time, his exams were around the corner and I must admit I was strict about him using the phone or taking very long breaks during his study time. His teachers and principal had high expectations of him and told me to encourage him as a parent. I was never strict about his studies except in the final year high school.

Two days before an exam, his friend invited him for a birthday party and my husband and myself told him not to go for it. My son became very upset. He screamed and yelled and a few things in the house. Shocked at his outburst, I told him, he could go. But he chose not to. From then, I stopped interfering with his studies and never stood in his way of how and when he wanted to do things. My son took this as a green signal that he could bully, yell, scream and shout, destroy things and times use abusive language to get whatever he wanted. What he didnt realize is that, we were doing everything for him, not because we were scared of him, but as parents, doing the best we could . When he was in college as an undergrad, he got worse. He would taunt, bully and cuss more often. He would walk in when my daughter or myself were watching t.v. and would demand he wants to watch T.V., which meant we get up and leave. When we were using the computer, he would tell us to get up and leave and he would keep the PC on, and would be doing other things and use the PC probably an hour later. He would ask me to serve lunch or dinner and the food would be lying on the dining table for an hour or two, as he would be busy talking to friends on his cellphone. When reminded, he would say that he will have his food whenever he wanted. He did have good friends and was not involved in drugs or alcohol. His friends were not difficult or aggressive. My daughter used to be scared of him as he used to bully her, insult her and scare her with his mannerisms, that she used to be choose to be in her room when he was around. She was relieved to be away from him when she had to leave home for college.

Now my son joined university at graduate level and he hasnt changed a bit. During his recent stay with us for one month, I was scared to talk to him, as every simple or pleasant conversation would end up in him becoming arrogant with me, blaming me for ‘not letting him’ do as he pleased as a young boy and put me down in everyway possible. He has forgotten how fortunate he was as a child in every way. He always talks about all the things he couldnt have or couldnt do, and never appreciates all the good things he was blessed with and everything he has or could do which many of his friends or classmates couldnot. When he joined university for his graduate course a few days ago, I rang him up and he said, he’d talk to me later as he was going for a shower. I never got any offlines or email or anything from him. He continually expect my husband and I to keep fulfilling all his needs and is absolutely mean and inconsiderate to us. Though he was mean to my daughter, she rings him up and talks to him. She sent him some money when she first got her her pay, he never bothered to thank her for it.

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ok one thing right off the bat that you and hubby must do right away. tell him he either respects you both or he can leave your home. tell him he is not allowed to use vulgar language or be arrogant in your home. if he wants to visit he has to learn to respect your rules in your household. if he cannot do that then he is welcome to not come around,. its absolutely unacceptable of him to use taunts or bully you or your daughter. he has zero right to do that to any member of your household. your husband needs to sit down and have a fatherly chat with himj, you both do as a united couple. nev er accept that kind of disrespect in your household. not from anyone. lay down the law but do it in a gentle mannerism. if he doesn’t want to listen then that is his problem. you cannot sacrifice your family unity or happiness not even for one member,. yes you love him, as you should, but you need to not let him walk all over it and get away with it. your hubby has to have a man to man chat with him but in a gentle mannerism, and you both need to talk to him as a couple. don’t put up with this. stop the buck right there and lay down the law.
 
Merry Catholic is right. Our house, our rules and everyone is treated with respect. Sad Mom, you have taught him that if he puts up an ugly stink he will get his way. There is no incentive for him to change! I understand that you want the outcome to be that he treats you and your husband nicely - but the way you are going about it now isn’t working, is it?

You said you have put down rules and he has calmed down for a while. I guarantee you he knows he can wait out a couple of months and start back up again. You guys have to be firm and stick with the ground rules of our house, our rules and everyone is treated with respect. He has to get the message that his behaviour is no longer acceptable, ever again!

He probably won’t be pleasant for a while or he’ll be good and try to test your boundaries since that has been partially reinforced by you and your dh.

Unpleasant on the phone? Sorry dear, I’ve got to go. I hope we can talk soon when you are more calm. Click. Unpleasant at the house? You need to leave, son. I hope we can visit again when you are in a more respectful mood. Why do you feel it’s ok for anyone, blood related or not, to dominate you in your home and be disrespectful to you, ever?
 
…He would walk in when my daughter or myself were watching t.v. and would demand he wants to watch T.V., which meant we get up and leave. When we were using the computer, he would tell us to get up and leave and he would keep the PC on, and would be doing other things and use the PC probably an hour later…
This is the part I don’t understand. I’m sorry for how things are turning out, but why did you let him get away with this? If this were my son, I would lay down the law so hard on him it would leave a mark! Why didn’t you absolutely refuse to submit to his demands, and stop him short, rather than doing what he demanded?
 
Dear Charlotte 1776, Merry Catholic, Nursery Worker and Alexander Smith

*Its probably God’s grace that brought me to this Catholic forums. Though I have never met you, I am so thankful to each of you, for taking the time to read my post and relate to my situation and offer help in terms of all the suggestions and advice.

I lacked the courage to face the bully in my son whenever he behaved arrogant or aggressive. Each time he acted up, he looked so fierce, I was too scared or too shocked to react. Later when he’d calm down I used to talk to him and he’d agree that he was wrong and was working on his anger. Every time I believed him. But then, he was so unpredictable. For the most insignificant thing, he would blow up and act up. My husband was working abroad and whenever he came down on vacation twice a year, my husband and I used to sit together with him and talk and there used to be a change until he left. My son blames me that I have spoilt his relation with his father permanantely because, in his words , I never missed an opportunity to complain about him to his father which strained their relations. My husband used to get so upset at how he behaved that he would give him ultimatums and warnings. My husband though loves him in his own way, does not demonstrate it and keeps aloof from my son and talks very little with my son, as he is stilI angry and hurt at his attitude. I stopped complaining much to my husband, as once he left, I had to face my son. Whenever my son was in a good mood and behaved as a young man his age should, I would believe that, okay, there is good in him, he is probably changing into a better person until the next volanic eruption.

I am unable to explain how it feels like being scared of my own son, yet I love him so much because he is my son and he was such a wonderful child and believed that okay he’d change. We have had and still have some good times together. As a mother, I don’t want to be a failure. The funny part is, many of my friends come to me for advice on their personal lives and my heartfelt advices have helped them. When it comes to my son, I was not able to fix the problem. I feel bad that I never took all those actions which you have given in your advice. Many of what you wrote, have crossed my mind at various instances. But I froze out of fear, I feared confronting him. I feared if I confronted, what would happen. I feared losing him for ever. I kept believing if I didn’t react, he might change out of a sense of guilt. My love for my son should have given me courage not to accept his aggressive behaviour, but instead my love for my son stopped me from taking action, which ofcourse understandably didn’t bring about any beneficial change. I kept forgiving him but not forgetting his bad behaviour. I wish he realizes we are not his enemies and we deserve to be treated with love and respect and as adults we can resolve issues amicably.

He is away at Grad school. I wish the next time we see him, he would be changed person. I am a peaceful person and I despise volatile confrontations.*
 
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