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I am not sure if this is in the right forum. I was wondering what people think on here. Should a parrent teach his child to defend himself physically. Sometimes little kids can be brutal and they can really be tough on other kids. It can be devastating on a child. Should a parent teach his child to defend his honor and to defend himself if in a fight? This is obviously with the stipulation that he would not be going around beating up every kid he sees.

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I think everyone needs to be able to defend themself. There’s a form of martial arts that uses your opponent’s strength against himself (I don’t know the form’s name off-hand). I’ll be encouraging my future children, especially my girls, to know self-defense technique like this. This may be different from what you’re referring to, though. There’s a difference between being able to defend yourself in difficult situations and a child defending himself from a bully on the playground.
 
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jimmy:
I am not sure if this is in the right forum. I was wondering what people think on here. Should a parrent teach his child to defend himself physically. Sometimes little kids can be brutal and they can really be tough on other kids. It can be devastating on a child. Should a parent teach his child to defend his honor and to defend himself if in a fight? This is obviously with the stipulation that he would not be going around beating up every kid he sees.

My adorable 8 year old grandson is taking karate lessons and has earned his orange belt. I see nothing wrong with teaching a child to defend himself, in fact, I think it’s necessary in today’s world.

Your sister in Christ,
Shannin
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I sould probably give my views. When I was younger I was a wrestler, which is a good way to learn to defend yourself along with discipline. I think that a parent should teach a child to defend themselves. If there is a bully that is bugging him he should be able to put the bully in his place so to speak. I think this goes further than only if the bully is beating you up and stealing your lunch money. I think that a kid should be able to defend himself if a kid is constantly bugging him or making fun or whatever. Of course if he used it to be a bully himself he would be in big trouble.
 
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Almeria:
I think everyone needs to be able to defend themself. There’s a form of martial arts that uses your opponent’s strength against himself (I don’t know the form’s name off-hand). I’ll be encouraging my future children, especially my girls, to know self-defense technique like this. This may be different from what you’re referring to, though. There’s a difference between being able to defend yourself in difficult situations and a child defending himself from a bully on the playground.
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THe Church teaches that legitmate self-defense is not only acceptable, but a duty. Due to the commandment "Love your neighbor as yourself, one have a primary obligation to love himself, in that safeguarding ones life. The imperative to perserve life does not exclude one’s own life. The matter of importance here is that the defense of one’s life must be proportional to the threat.

Additionally, the type of martial art you are referring to is call Aikido.
 
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Almeria:
I think everyone needs to be able to defend themself. There’s a form of martial arts that uses your opponent’s strength against himself (I don’t know the form’s name off-hand).
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It’s called Judo. Great form of martial art. It’s mainly throwing and pressure points. I took karate and this for a while, though judo is more practical . I would start the child out in karate for the foundation of discipline and as they get older have them take judo or akkido.
 
Self defense is the way to go. I would suggest Kenpo Karate. It borrows from Judo (think wrestling), Jujitsu, Karate (mostly), as well as other forms. Very heavy into practical ‘street’ fighting, as opposed to something like Tae Kwon Do which is almost exclusively a sport from as taught in the US. Kenpo also has practical weapons training…sticks, tonfa, bo staff, knives (both ‘tactical’ folding knives and large 10+" knives), tactical pistol & shotgun courses (in some areas, and for adults only!). The school I went to was very popular with the local police…

I will say that it really isn’t for the timid. Its very aggressive and ruthless. The object is to hurt the other person so bad that they can’t hurt you…different instructors teach at various ‘intensities’. At the adult levels, it can be very intense. Full contact (no pads) sparring, weapons training, etc. Mostly taught in 1 to 1 personal lessons. They do have group classes, but is usually taught as a personal self-defense course (1 hour personal lessons 2-3 times a week, plus group class twice a week where I train).

They also give quicky legal courses on justifiable self-defense…

If you want real fighting techniques, pick something like Kenpo, Judo, or Jujitsu. They’re all very ‘real world’ and Kenpo for one forgoes all of the Eastern mysticism and religion (its a very Americanized martial art).
 
My mom gave me permission to defend myself if I needed to. I never had to, though.
 
No offense, but I will put an equally ranked Aikidoka (practitioner of Aikido) against any other martial art (even with its Eastern mysticism), any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Steven Seigal is a 7th dan Aikidoka, the way he fights in movies is pretty much how it goes, especially in “Above the Law”.
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Isidore_AK:
Self defense is the way to go. I would suggest Kenpo Karate. It borrows from Judo (think wrestling), Jujitsu, Karate (mostly), as well as other forms. Very heavy into practical ‘street’ fighting, as opposed to something like Tae Kwon Do which is almost exclusively a sport from as taught in the US. Kenpo also has practical weapons training…sticks, tonfa, bo staff, knives (both ‘tactical’ folding knives and large 10+" knives), tactical pistol & shotgun courses (in some areas, and for adults only!). The school I went to was very popular with the local police…

I will say that it really isn’t for the timid. Its very aggressive and ruthless. The object is to hurt the other person so bad that they can’t hurt you…different instructors teach at various ‘intensities’. At the adult levels, it can be very intense. Full contact (no pads) sparring, weapons training, etc. Mostly taught in 1 to 1 personal lessons. They do have group classes, but is usually taught as a personal self-defense course (1 hour personal lessons 2-3 times a week, plus group class twice a week where I train).

They also give quicky legal courses on justifiable self-defense…

If you want real fighting techniques, pick something like Kenpo, Judo, or Jujitsu. They’re all very ‘real world’ and Kenpo for one forgoes all of the Eastern mysticism and religion (its a very Americanized martial art).
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Apologia100:
No offense, but I will put an equally ranked Aikidoka (practitioner of Aikido) against any other martial art (even with its Eastern mysticism), any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Steven Seigal is a 7th dan Aikidoka, the way he fights in movies is pretty much how it goes, especially in “Above the Law”.
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No offense taken. i just favor Kenpo Karate for the practicality of its style…and its no-nonsense view of self defense. Martial arts are an awesome way to defend yourself, but many of the styles have taken a tournament/sport mentality. If you fight in real life like you fight in a tournament, youre dead.

And yes. Aikido is probably the best defensive art out there in its pure form (and I don’t have anything against Eastern philosophy either, as long as you don’t mistake it for the True faith…).
 
I’m not a practitioner myself, but few things give me more pleasure than seeing a bully knocked on his zadnitsa. Like Scut Farkas in A Christmas Story.

DaveBj
 
I personally think that wrestling is the best fighting style. I wrestled for 15 years from 5 years old to 19. If you needed to defend yourself in a fight it helps you to take the person to the ground where you have the advantage.
 
I would ask whether you think it is acceptable for grown men to physically fight? I don’t. And I don’t know any admirable men who solve disagreements that way. So I guess I would say that it serves little purpose to encourage boys to “resolve” issues or to “defend” themselves physically. I am a proponent of teaching children how to role play difficult situations, and especially how to walk away from a situation (or disengage) BEFORE it escalates.
 
La Chiara:
I would ask whether you think it is acceptable for grown men to physically fight? I don’t. And I don’t know any admirable men who solve disagreements that way. So I guess I would say that it serves little purpose to encourage boys to “resolve” issues or to “defend” themselves physically. I am a proponent of teaching children how to role play difficult situations, and especially how to walk away from a situation (or disengage) BEFORE it escalates.
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Sometimes you can’t disengage. There are bullies out there and if some kids can’t defend themselves the bullies will take advantage. I think it would be good for the kid to defend himself raither than just stand there and get pushed around.

I do think there are situations when a man may need to fight. If he needs to defend his wife and kids against an attacker, then I would say he has an obligation to fight.

A kid getting beat up can affect more than just his physical appearance, it can affect his future relationship with God. If someone is always picked on and bugged do you think he is going to be happy? Probably not. This will affect his attitude in the future.
 
Let me just shoot my :twocents: worth in here.

Style of martial arts is a matter for personal preference & should consider the person’s disposition,physical condition, & needs.

I taught Japanese Karate for several years as well as a women’s self defense class. I don’t really think that the issue is for men to fight, but that all persons have the tools to defend themselves or another if the need arises. Very few people WANT to get into a fight, but there are times when a person needs to be able to secure their own safe egress from a dangerous confrontation. Morally (as was said above) this is a duty imposed by love of self & others, as per the CCC. I personally like the Japanese styles of karate (although I have been blessed to train some with a Christian buddy who was a student of Seagal sensei for 4 years & we had a great time…always training w/a view towards sel-defense, we borrowed from both styles & it works quite well.

In women’s self defense (or anyone’s for that matter) I taught them to be the meanest girls in the world for about 90 seconds, which really is about all the time you really have to effectively dispose of an attacker (especially a male) before their superior size, weight, & upper body strength will reduce your initial advantage. I gave them the tools to do the job so that they can then escape, go home & have a good cry, then go to Mass on Sunday & tell God how sorry they are that they had to hurt that dude so much. 👍
 
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jimmy:
Sometimes you can’t disengage.
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Quite right. Dialogue as conflict resolution isn’t always possible. A fews year ago, when I had one 8th grade student suddenly attack another in class, there was no time for conversation. What there was time for was putting the attacker on the floor in a wrist/arm lock. He called down in record time, and no one was hurt, thank God.

Then we had time to sit down and talk.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
La Chiara:
I would ask whether you think it is acceptable for grown men to physically fight? I don’t. And I don’t know any admirable men who solve disagreements that way. So I guess I would say that it serves little purpose to encourage boys to “resolve” issues or to “defend” themselves physically. I am a proponent of teaching children how to role play difficult situations, and especially how to walk away from a situation (or disengage) BEFORE it escalates.
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This is great as a first line of defense, but if you knew more about the nature of boys, you would realize that there are some fights that walking away from makes it worse.

The reality of life, as others have said, is that there are bullies out there who are not interested in reason, for example the terrorists who have been raised to dedicate their whole lives to killing Americans, as an extreme example. This has been a reality since Cain and Abel.

One thing I’d like to point out, is that the more experienced and capable a person is at defending himself, the less chance that either the attacker or defender needs to get hurt. When a man is trained in self-defense he knows to keep a level head, and knows how to subdue the opponent without necessarily annihilating him. Also the self-confidence from a person so trained is often perceivable to the would-be attacker, often averting an attack entirely. If a man doesn’t know how to defend himself and isn’t sure he can talk his way out of it, he will be nervous and will become a perfect target for the attacker.

That is to say, there is a lot of psychology involved, and being self-confident and able to defend oneself is one of the best way to ensure a man will be able to walk away from any given fight without anybody getting hurt.

Alan
 
I have no problem with defending myself and my loved ones from violent people. However, Catholics must be very careful when choosing a martial art because many types are essentially Oriental harmony religions.

For example, if a martial art ends with “-do” then alarm bells should be ringing. Such a martial art (and others beside) are carefully structured paths to Eastern spiritual enlightenment. These pagan systems are contrary to the Judeo-Christian God’s jealous exclusiveness against paganism.

One particularly bad martial art for Christians is Aikido. I suggest anyone who doesn’t believe me buy a martial arts book which explicates its philosophical and religious content. (Whilst probably not worrying liberal Catholics, conservative orthodox believers will easily see the inherent problem).

Fortunately, there are many very effective martial arts that don’t fall into this category which you can do, mainly because they are ‘Western’ and not ‘Eastern’:

Wrestling
Brazilian Jiu jitsu
Boxing
Krav Maga

All Eastern martial arts are problematic but be particularly wary of arts claiming to be ‘soft’ and ‘internal’ which emphasise pagan spiritual exercises. Beware.

Dalcent
 
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Isidore_AK:
I don’t have anything against Eastern philosophy either, as long as you don’t mistake it for the True faith…).
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I have EVERYTHING against Eastern philosophy which is frankly the doctrine of demons. It teaches that:
we are divine
we will be re-incarnated
there is no sin
Jesus is not the unique Son of God
 
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