Seminary Psych Eval

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Is the seminary psych evaluation something to dwell over? In a way, I have had a life modeled after St. Augustine (minus having a child out of wedlock). I have not had intercourse in about 2 years now, but I have fallen into carnality a few times (i.e. stimulation through touching my ex girlfriend). I do not know whether these sins of my past will cause concerns during my psych visit, and I am unsure whether I am just nervous for no reason, as some men experience the same thing as me. Further, if these draw up red flags, would it be of my benefit to wait one more year for further reparation? I have walked away from these sins, and am ready to take the next step, but would it be better to wait?
 
I would just take the evaluation and answer honestly and not sweat about it, since it’s both for your benefit as well as theirs. They want to see you succeed and to know where you’re at right now. If God wants you to be a priest, there’s no power on earth that can do anything about it, excluding yourself.

A famous Chinese proverb, “Tension is being who you think you should be. Relaxation is being who you are.”

Peace.
 
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I have not had intercourse in about 2 years now, but I have fallen into carnality a few times (i.e. stimulation through touching my ex girlfriend). I do not know whether these sins of my past will cause concerns during my psych visit, a
Why would sexual sins involving your ex-girlfriend be evidence of a psychological problem? Unless you were doing something super weird, there’s nothing to be concerned about.
 
I have never done anything that would be considered “not normal.” I think my biggest concern would be whether it would cause any concern. Through Black Grace, I saw that I was not living the Christian life. I have done much reforming and reparation through prayer and service in The Church and community since then. I have matured quite a bit, Praise be to God. Now I feel as I am experiencing what Venerable Fulton Sheen would consider White Grace.
 
I think my biggest concern would be whether it would cause any concern
I guess I just don’t understand why you think any of this means you might have psych problems. If seminaries denied everyone who had ever committed sexual sin of any type, we’d have literally no priests.
 
What on Earth are black grace and white grace ? They didn’t cover this is RCIA?’
 
I agree with the others, do the test to the best of you ability and ask the Holy Spirit to be with you. Surrender yourself to God and see what happens. Your insecurities and worries should be given to God too. God bless you
 
Having taken a seminary psych evaluation, my advice is to answer honestly. We tend to think that the psychologist is out to get us or diagnose us with some weird disorder. He’s really just looking at how you function and will give the seminary advice about how to best form you.

So unless you do suffer from major psychological disorders, you shouldn’t have to worry. Nothing that you mentioned seemed to raise red flags for me personally. Most everyone has struggled with sexual sins at one point or another. As long as you’ve shown you’re trying to live a virtuous life, you should be okay. Good luck!
 
“There are two great moments in the life of every soul as it advances to the Christ-centered level. The first is negative and passive; the second is active and Divine. The first crisis is an overwhelming sense of emptiness, which is actually ‘Black Grace’; the second is a sense of the Divine presence, or ‘White Grace.’ The first experience involves a discontent, a consciousness that God is making an impact on the soul. The first condition is a result of Godless living; it might be called the negative Presence of God in the soul, as God’s actual Grace is His positive Presence.

“The first feeling of tension is the product of man’s desire for an Infinite, and all the ennui and boredom results from the realizations, sometimes very sharp, that he has not realized this desire. We may not know what it is that we are seeking, but in all of us there is a longing for something unattained—and a restlessness with everything else for lack of it. We feel deprived of something that ought to be ours. We see ourselves moving through the world not so much as peasants, who never had anything, but as royalty in exile, ever conscious of our original dignity. We are searching and looking—not so much because we hope to hit on a new treasure, but to recover one we have already had and lost….

“But there is a second crisis of the soul. In this moment it becomes conscious of its relationship to Divinity, to what we call White Grace. This most important step takes place when the little cross on which we suffer catches sight, on the hill of Calvary, of the Great Cross of Christ. At the moment when a man realizes that these two crosses are related, a double truth dawns on his soul: First, he feels a sense of his guilt, such as one could never know until he felt himself in relationship to a Divine Person—for no one ever feels guilty toward the impersonal. He now understands what sin is: it is the killing of Goodness….

“But there is a second lesson which comes from the Cross and it is more important than the recognition of guilt. That is a recognition of the healing powers of Him Who is upon the Cross. The human heart which grasps this reality will not concentrate upon his own disease, but on the curative powers of Him Who can cure it. He pardoned us with His ‘Father, forgive them for they know not what they do’; yet even that would not suffice to help us if he were only a man and not God; the human soul would feel eternal remorse for having taken a life that could not be restored again. But He Who is on that Cross is God as well as man, and by rising from the dead, He bestowed on us the very Life we would have taken away.” (
Lift Up Your Heart , pp. 168-72) --Venerable Fulton Sheen
 
Black Grace and White Grace are a teaching of Venerable Fulton Sheen. (He’s not a “Blessed” yet, the blogger is mistaken, but hopefully he will be one soon.)

 
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Not well known terms these days. And of course, employing them indiscreetly may be triggering.

Funny, when I saw the term “Black Grace,” I flashed on one of those 70s “Blaxploitation” flicks. Foxy Brown, Shaft, Superfly, etc. My bad!
 
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I went through it as part of the Diaconate program. Same eval as the Sacerdotal candidates go through.

It was no big deal. Very large questionnaire to fill out ( took me several hours), followed by an interview evaluation with a psychologist, complete with the ink blot tests.

It was no big deal, the point is NOT to identify past sins, but really, to do psychological health check, much like taking a medical physical.

On the plus side, now when my wife accuses me of having lost my marbles, I can now pull out proof that they are all present and accounts for 😄
 
I could just sing that old Charlie Daniels song “Long Haired Country Boy” to them and save a lot of time.
 
I see another website is calling it “Dark Grace”, perhaps to avoid leaving a mental impression of Pam Grier karate-chopping a bad guy.
 
Pam Grier! She looks better than most seventy-somethings these days!
She should have co-starred in “Blackula.” She’d have made short work of him.
 
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Anyway, all I remember about the MMPI 2 questions was that there was a heavy focus on my digestive tract, and on my feelings towards my mother. Other than that, not Freudian at all, lol!
 
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@Angus, your question is not well suited to most on this forum, being laity with little to no seminary entrance experience. This puts your call to vocation in peril due to any erroneous advice received here, regardless of how well meaning it may be,
We do have some fine Priests on this forum, they should be readily identifiable when posting answers.

Your question is for your Vocations director or Parish Priest or a Religious. Those responsible for admitting candidates to the Seminary in my Diocese prefer the Candidate to have doubts, rather then be 100% sure from the get go. Your specific case will be dependent on your region, country, and ultimately your Bishop.

Your call to Vocation is in my prayers.
 
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No. I’ve gone through this myself when I joined the Dominicans.

The psychiatrist doesn’t care about “sinfulness” he cares about assessing whether or not you are a “normal”, healthy male, with no odd sexual proclivities. In some ways, he will take it as a good sign that you have had a normal relationship with a woman.

He will expect you to have been abstinent for a good while before as he is partially assessing your maturity and ability to live a celibate lifestyle.
 
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