Separate beds in marriage

[fisherman_carl]

Not a problem.
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That used to be the norm awhile back. I wonder what changed? Perhaps people slept in separate beds and even separate rooms to avert temptation? And, it wasn’t because they no longer got along. My, society has changed. Avert temptation? Why would you need to do that if you have birth control pills and contraceptives? Such is modern society who just doesn’t get Catholic teaching on sexuality. Why wait, why sacrifice, why suffer, when you can just get what you want now? No money down, do not pay till later… society.

 

[PhiloMed]

That used to be the norm awhile back. I wonder what changed? Perhaps people slept in separate beds and even separate rooms to avert temptation? And, it wasn’t because they no longer got along. My, society has changed. Avert temptation? Why would you need to do that if you have birth control pills and contraceptives? Such is modern society who just doesn’t get Catholic teaching on sexuality. Why wait, why sacrifice, why suffer, when you can just get what you want now? No money down, do not pay till later… society.

You’re confusing fiction with reality.

This was a tv show. The censors did not allow married couples to be seen in the same bed.
Also at that time, Lucy could not announce that she was “pregnant” since the word was considered too be too vulgar for tv.

Couples in real life slept in the same bed.

I do have some family members who are still unable to bring themselves to say the word “pregnant”. I drop it into conversation as much as possible just to watch them squirm.

 

[Kelfa28]

That used to be the norm awhile back. I wonder what changed? Perhaps people slept in separate beds and even separate rooms to avert temptation? And, it wasn’t because they no longer got along. My, society has changed. Avert temptation? Why would you need to do that if you have birth control pills and contraceptives? Such is modern society who just doesn’t get Catholic teaching on sexuality. Why wait, why sacrifice, why suffer, when you can just get what you want now? No money down, do not pay till later… society.

This isn’t reality.

It was only done to avoid “scandal” the TV networks thought they were causing.

Married couples slept together.

Keep in mind…the modern use of birth control was being used well before television was invented. It was beginning to be legalized decades before “I Love Lucy” aired.

The families that television shows in the late 50s and early 60s depicted were no where near reality.
Married couples slept in the same beds, many mothers worked outside the home, birth control was legal and most of the Protestant Churches had long since approved of it’s use among married couples.

 

[fisherman_carl]

No. It was more common and they even had separate bed rooms.

 

[PhiloMed]

No. It was more common and they even had separate bed rooms.

Citation?

According to an ask.com poll, about 1/3 of couples today sleep in separate beds or separate rooms. Where do you think this was “more common” back in the old days?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

That used to be the norm awhile back. I wonder what changed? Perhaps people slept in separate beds and even separate rooms to avert temptation? And, it wasn’t because they no longer got along. My, society has changed. Avert temptation? Why would you need to do that if you have birth control pills and contraceptives? Such is modern society who just doesn’t get Catholic teaching on sexuality. Why wait, why sacrifice, why suffer, when you can just get what you want now? No money down, do not pay till later… society.

This was due to US censors. I’m sure Lucy and Desi slept in the same bed in real life (well I guess up until the divorce)

Earlier episodes had them in one bed.

see
http://www.bakingadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/i-love-lucy-figurines1-672x215.jpg:

Here’s some co-sleeping with Little Ricky:

 

[Chayla]

This is a personal observation, only, BUT…

Among all of the ELDERLY married couples that I know, they sleep in separate beds in SEPARATE BEDROOMS.

 

[Kelfa28]

No. It was more common and they even had separate bed rooms.

Where are you getting this information?

Pre-world war two times meant simpler lifestyles for a vast majority of Americans. Unless you had the money…most people lived in smaller houses or apartments.

Americans built their own houses and it was wildly impractical to build these multi-room McMansions or make/purchase more then one bed for mom and dad.

Think about it…why would a typical farmer create two separate bedrooms for him and his wife if that meant doubling resources to heat those rooms in the winter? Where would a city factory worker find the space/money to rent a multi-room apartment he’d also need to keep warm?

Most kids shared beds…why would parents have separate beds?

The only time period, for Americans, where people began in to have the money and technology to build larger homes with multiple bedrooms was post WW 2 times.

Given the legendary size of the baby boom generation…I truly doubt this.

You’ve created a “leave it to beaver” life style that would have lasted about 20 years…between the Second World War of the 40s to the sexual revolution of the late 60s.

 

[WillyAL]

Why do you find that funny? The Church does not tell us in detail how to manage our marital relationships…

Oh no?

In a marriage, my understanding is that it is not wrong to manually stimulate one’s spouse on their genitals, even to the point of orgasm, as long as one fully intends to consummate the act genitally. Is that correct?

No, it’s wrong.

Masturbation, of oneself or one’s spouse, is always an intrinsically evil act and as such, no good intention can make it not intrinsically evil. It is sinful to engage in such behavior. Even for married persons. St. Pope John Paul II in the Theology of the Body recommends sexual counseling if the woman is unable to reach a climax during coitus.

For the female, sure, but the male orgasm must take place within the vagina, which would be difficult though I suppose not impossible in all situations to do the way you describe.

YES, again, as long as it is done in continence. It would be immoral for hubby to be stimulating his wife while thinking of the neighbor wife, and it would be immoral for wife to be stimulated while thinking about neighbor husband.

Christopher West writes his opinion. But Pope JPII gave the church’s official position in “The Theology of the Body”

Trying to manage the sexual expression between a husband and wife seems pretty intrusive to me.