Seventh Day Adventists

[Patrick_Murebil]

Hmm, “glowing reviews”? A typical journal article is only reviewed to determine if it is fit for publication by 2-3 reviewers.

Don’t know yet. As I said before, I’ll let you know when it comes out.

As I said before, I’ll let you know when it comes out.

The diff being that other are making claims ab’t the past that they cannot and will not support (probably because they never happened in the 1st place, but who know for sure?), whereas mine is a present/future event. I assume that it hasn’t come out yet because I haven’t even seen the proof copy that is supposed to be sent before publication. And yet articles for 2010 are already up.

I guess I assumed that it was already published based on what you said on the previous page of this thread, which I quote below"

3) I have published an article in a scholarly, refereed journal and the editor said the reviewers noted its “high quality and cogent tone”–we then edited it further for another two years making it even better. Now, it typing that in I made simple spelling mistakes–which I then went back and fixed.

The “I have published an article” phrase seems pretty clear that it already happened. And for someone so well schooled in grammer, I don’t think you would have used this phrase for something that will happen in the future…

It just seems that different messages regarding your article are coming forth from you.

That is some long time for an article to be published…written, published, edited for two years, and now coming out sometime in the next 5 years…that must be some article indeed!!! I know people who have put out monographs in shorter time. I’m just so curious as to what SDA journal it could be?

God bless all!!!

 

[djconklin]

so the only thing i can do is assume that u didnt go to an sda school.

You assumed too much and my attendance isn’t relevant.

since u are attempting to comment on what i was taught there, u have nothing to back up your assertians.

Which (correct spelling->)assertions? I asked for proof for your claims of what you were taught.

nothing except arrogance.

Not at this end.

i will be happy to continue this debate when u cease lying

I’m not the one who has been caught.

and making excuses for your lack of info on what u are attempting to talk about.

I’m still waiting for the proof from your end.

 

[djconklin]

The “I have published an article” phrase seems pretty clear that it already happened.

My article is listed as one of the 2008 journal articles. But, I haven’t seen it yet.

And for someone so well schooled in grammer,

Who said I was “well schooled in grammar”? I know a tad more than the basics that one learns in grammar school. How much extra work does it really take to capitalize an “I”? Or, to put a space at the end of a sentence and then capitalize the first word of the next sentence? Or, to spell out the word “you”?

That is some long time for an article to be published…written, published, edited for two years,

My joke on it is that even the polish got polished! BTW, the sequence was written, edited and then published. And it was the first run through that was considered to be of “high quality” and to have a “cogent tone.”

now coming out sometime in the next 5 years…

HUH? Where did you get the five year figure from?

I know people who have put out monographs in shorter time.

Name them. Some people have the gift of gab, I don’t. I edited each line very carefully (I hope sufficiently!) When I first sent the article in to be approved it had 33 authors reviewed in it, when we finally finished editing it, it had 47 authors (that took some time too).

I’m just so curious as to what SDA journal it could be?

Well, you know what happened to the cat. It isn’t an SDA journal. Where’d you get that idea from?

 

[jargon631]

You assumed too much and my attendance isn’t relevant.

Which (correct spelling->)assertions? I asked for proof for your claims of what you were taught.

Not at this end.

I’m not the one who has been caught.

I’m still waiting for the proof from your end.

of course your lack of attendance is relevent…how can u possibly talk about it when u have no experience?..of course once again u are asking for proof of something that happened more than 30 years ago…yes, u, like many, many adventists are arrogant…if youre not the one lying then who is?..here is where u intimate i am not telling the truth…mark it well for when u deny having said it…all u have to do is google the academy and look at their curriculum…better yet, call and ask…u wont though…u would be proven wrong……fd

 

[djconklin]

of course your lack of attendance is relevent.

Becuase it is your claims of what happened that are under question.

how can u possibly talk about it when u have no experience?

Who said I didn’t have any experience?

of course once again u are asking for proof of something that happened more than 30 years ago.

And the point would be?

yes, u, like many, many adventists are arrogant.

Tell that to the surgeon who removed my ulcer back in '85.

if youre not the one lying then who is?

Well, for one you claimed that military records were what? And I proved you wrong.

here is where u intimate i am not telling the truth.

See above.

mark it well for when u deny having said it.

That doesn’t make sense.

all u have to do is google the academy and look at their curriculum.

And what would that prove?

better yet, call and ask…u wont though…u would be proven wrong…

Don’t have any reason to ask yet. You haven’t provided any info that could be asked about. The day you do, then I’ll call.

 

[jargon631]

Becuase it is your claims of what happened that are under question.

Who said I didn’t have any experience?

And the point would be?

Tell that to the surgeon who removed my ulcer back in '85.

Well, for one you claimed that military records were what? And I proved you wrong.

See above.

That doesn’t make sense.

And what would that prove?

Don’t have any reason to ask yet. You haven’t provided any info that could be asked about. The day you do, then I’ll call.

hey brainiac…my records ARE confidential…I can access them, but a random civilian cannot…if u had served…the same could be said of yours…if u went to an academy why wont u say so?..i dont make any “claims”, i state the truth…why are U so scared of it?..what?..surgeons cant be arrogant?..fd

 

[djconklin]

my records ARE confidential…I can access them, but a random civilian cannot.

Doesn’t seem to be that way for the web site I showed you: military-record.net/

How would a potential employer know if you had served? This site (touchstoneresearchgroup.com/catalog/dd214-yourself-and-guided-services-p-52.html) will provide you with a copy of your DD214 for the employer. Apparently it isn’t so confidential that they can’t see it. If you had served you’d know that. After all, what should be so confidential about your military record? Either you served between certain two dates or you didn’t. Either you were wounded in combat or you weren’t. Either you were taught certain skills or you weren’t.

if u went to an academy why wont u say so?

Who said I went to an academy?

I dont make any “claims”, i state the truth.

Which you can’t seem to back up with any verifable facts.

why are U so scared of it?

I’m never afraid of the truth. That’s why I keep requesting it from you.

surgeons cant be arrogant?

Some are; mine wasn’t.

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

Doesn’t seem to be that way for the web site I showed you: military-record.net/

How would a potential employer know if you had served? This site (touchstoneresearchgroup.com/catalog/dd214-yourself-and-guided-services-p-52.html) will provide you with a copy of your DD214 for the employer. Apparently it isn’t so confidential that they can’t see it. If you had served you’d know that. After all, what should be so confidential about your military record? Either you served between certain two dates or you didn’t. Either you were wounded in combat or you weren’t. Either you were taught certain skills or you weren’t.

This is an amazing effort you are putting forth in your military research…and this coming from someone who is so protective of revealing even the name of a journal he is supposedly having an article published in sometime between now and the end of this millenium.

So why not tell jargon631 which schools you’ve attended and what degrees you’ve earned from them?

I believe you like to read, and most likely have read quite a few books…but I’m still not convinced that you aren’t trying to put the “shuck” on us regarding your “scholarly” work, based on your evasiveness.

You have claimed that you don’t believe Ellen White was a prophet, and yet you’ve said this artilce of yours is about plagerism and why she wasn’t a plagerist.

Why defend the writings of someone as authentic whose writings you don’t see as important?

Or am I incorrect in assuming that you do not consider her writings important?

How important are her writings to you? Even if you don’t consider them inspired by God…or do you consider them inspired by God?

Why not answer these questions?

God bless all!!!

 

[djconklin]

This is an amazing effort you are putting forth in your military research.

Yeah, it took all of about 2 minutes. So much work! Oh, how can I bear up under it! And yet it was more tnan any of my critics have ever done.

and this coming from someone who is so protective of revealing even the name of a journal he is supposedly having an article published in sometime between now and the end of this millenium.

1. I know how the system can be gamed; so no one will find out about it till it hits. 2) Given that the editor already has two articles for the 2009 journal I suspect that it will be out before that gets published–which would be a long way before the end of the millenium.

So why not tell jargon631 which schools you’ve attended and what degrees you’ve earned from them?

Because it isn’t relevant.

I believe you like to read, and most likely have read quite a few books…but I’m still not convinced that you aren’t trying to put the “shuck” on us regarding your “scholarly” work, based on your evasiveness.

See the above; if you are content with previous work see dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/index.html

You have claimed that you don’t believe Ellen White was a prophet,

I never said anything like that.

and yet you’ve said this artilce of yours is about plagerism and why she wasn’t a plagerist.

What do you mean by "and yet’?

Why defend the writings of someone as authentic whose writings you don’t see as important?

Wrong perspective; I’ve shown that those who claimed she was a plagiartist, at best didn’t know what they were talking about, or at worst lied through their teeth.

Or am I incorrect in assuming that you do not consider her writings important?

Didn’t think of that.

How important are her writings to you? Even if you don’t consider them inspired by God…or do you consider them inspired by God?

Didn’t think of those either.

Why not answer these questions?

Because you just now asked them.

So, here’s one for you: when will my article be published?

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

When I pointed out that you said you did not accept Ellen G. White as a prophet you said:

I never said anything like that.

But here is what you said in this thread in Post #s 65-67, the page previous to this one…go back and read the posts and tell me what you really meant if not the following:

**Post # 65 I don’t have a prophet. I also don’t have a priest who denies the Holocaust. **

***Post # 67
jargon631: im not a catholic so your priest comment is wasted on me…

djconklin: And I don’t have a prophet *so your remark about having one is wasted on me.

jargon631: are u seriously telling me that the sda doesnt consider e. white a prophet?..

djconklin: Some do; I don’t.**

What do you mean by "and yet’?

Wrong perspective; I’ve shown that those who claimed she was a plagiartist, at best didn’t know what they were talking about, or at worst lied through their teeth.

What I mean by “and yet” is just what it says…you don’t accept Ellen G. White as a prophet ANDYET you defend her against plagerists and try to point out that what she says is what the Bible also says…but that is not always true (e.g., Jesus refusing the wine vinegar on the cross…Mrs. White says that He did refuse it. The Bible says that He did not refuse it but received it)

The following quote of yours if from the thread **Anti-Catholocism within Seventh Day Adventism: Doctrines **:

**A topic that has been mentioned here is the claim that EGW plagiarized.
I’ve written an article that will be published this January in a scholarly refereed journal on this issue–this is a first for anyone who has looked at this subject. It presents a study that Dr. Veltman told us to do 20 years ago. To the best of my knowledge this artcile is the 1st of that kind of study. Again, to the best of my knowledge the critics have yet to do even one.
Currently, I’m working on making an ebook that will examine the claim that EGW plagiarized her book Sketches on the Life of Paul.
You can dl’d Conybeare and Howson’s work here: books.google.com/books?id=JJ0…r&dq=Conybeare
Then you can dl’d Sketches here: books.google.com/books?id=8_s…ife+of+Paul%22
And then you can dl’d a free copy of WCopyfind here: plagiarism.phys.virginia.edu/Wsoftware.html and then you can compare the two texts yourself.
It should take about 32 hours or so, to do it carefully. Although chapters 27, 29, 31-2 won’t take much time at all since there is nothing similar to Conybeare and Howson. And then chapters 4, 12, and 15 won’t take long because there’s hardly anything in those. And yet this is a book that was supposedly a case of “wholesale plagiarism.” **

God bless all!!!

 

[djconklin]

When I pointed out that you said you did not accept Ellen G. White as a prophet you said:

Now compare the quotes from me with yours: “You have claimed that you don’t believe Ellen White was a prophet”.

What I mean by “and yet” is just what it says…you don’t accept Ellen G. White as a prophet ANDYET you defend her against plagerists

I never said the first part and one can do two things without there being “yet.” Secondly, I have never said that the others were plagiarists (although this one: pjpiisoe.org/pamphlets/038US.pdf plagiarized 4 of its 6 paragraphs from Walter Rea and the other two were not written by Dr. Fred Veltman as their title seems to indicate.).

try to point out that what she says is what the Bible also says…but that is not always true (e.g., Jesus refusing the wine vinegar on the cross…Mrs. White says that He did refuse it. The Bible says that He did not refuse it but received it)

That is NOT a question of plagiarism. Where in the Bible is the event you are talking about and where in EGW’s writings is this alleged error on EGW’s part?

BTW, you missed this question: when will my article be published?

Have you done this yet:

“You can dl’d Conybeare and Howson’s work here: books.google.com/books?id=JJ0…r&dq=Conybeare
Then you can dl’d Sketches here: books.google.com/books?id=8_s…ife+of+Paul%22
And then you can dl’d a free copy of WCopyfind here: plagiarism.phys.virginia.edu/Wsoftware.html and then you can compare the two texts yourself.”

 

[jargon631]

Doesn’t seem to be that way for the web site I showed you: military-record.net/

How would a potential employer know if you had served? This site (touchstoneresearchgroup.com/catalog/dd214-yourself-and-guided-services-p-52.html) will provide you with a copy of your DD214 for the employer. Apparently it isn’t so confidential that they can’t see it. If you had served you’d know that. After all, what should be so confidential about your military record? Either you served between certain two dates or you didn’t. Either you were wounded in combat or you weren’t. Either you were taught certain skills or you weren’t.

Who said I went to an academy?

Which you can’t seem to back up with any verifable facts.

I’m never afraid of the truth. That’s why I keep requesting it from you.

Some are; mine wasn’t.

nice try, sunshine…i have a copy of my discharge and all the pertinant m.o.s. records…why would i want u or any other unauthorised person to view them…ever heard of personal security?..since u never served u have no idea what i would or wouldnt know, now would u?..keep swinging…lol…btw…if your scholastic record isnt relevent, then why is mine?..hmmm?..fd

u know what?..i just noticed something…who are your “critics” supposed to be?..that sounds like a persecution complex to me…and here i thought we were just debating…lol…fd

 

[jargon631]

Now compare the quotes from me with yours: “You have claimed that you don’t believe Ellen White was a prophet”.

I never said the first part and one can do two things without there being “yet.” Secondly, I have never said that the others were plagiarists (although this one: pjpiisoe.org/pamphlets/038US.pdf plagiarized 4 of its 6 paragraphs from Walter Rea and the other two were not written by Dr. Fred Veltman as their title seems to indicate.).

That is NOT a question of plagiarism. Where in the Bible is the event you are talking about and where in EGW’s writings is this alleged error on EGW’s part?

BTW, you missed this question: when will my article be published?

Have you done this yet:

“You can dl’d Conybeare and Howson’s work here: books.google.com/books?id=JJ0…r&dq=Conybeare
Then you can dl’d Sketches here: books.google.com/books?id=8_s…ife+of+Paul%22
And then you can dl’d a free copy of WCopyfind here: plagiarism.phys.virginia.edu/Wsoftware.html and then you can compare the two texts yourself.”

too funny…u hash on me for not readily revealing my military information and yet u expect others to look for your article…thats a bit twisted…if my service record is so easily found then i suggest u do exactly that…find it…fd

 

[djconklin]

i have a copy of my discharge and all the pertinant m.o.s. records.

Not relevant to this discussion. You claimed that the records are cobnfidential–they aren’t. Employers need to know who they are hiring. And so they do (at least they are supposed to) a background check which would include your military records.

why would i want u or any other unauthorised person to view them.

I never asked to see them.

ever heard of personal security?

Hmm, sounds like paranoia.

since u never served u have no idea what i would or wouldnt know, now would u?

Note relevant to the discussion at hand.

if your scholastic record isnt relevent, then why is mine?..hmmm?..

Because you made claims that we are yet unable to substantiate. I didn’t make claims. The burden of proof lies with you.

i just noticed something…who are your “critics” supposed to be?

Well, you are one, Patrick would be another, and on other forums as well there are others who make claims they cannot substantiate.

that sounds like a persecution complex to me…and here i thought we were just debating…lol…

In a honest debate people do not call those on the other side “chucklehead,” or “sunshine,” or use “lol” to make up for an honest discussion of the issues at hand.

 

[djconklin]

too funny…u hash on me for not readily revealing my military information and yet u expect others to look for your article…thats a bit twisted…

None of the links are my article. If you posted your military records online and gave the link we could easily see if that much is so.

What I did was post a link about an article that in accusing EGW of plagiarism–plagiarized themselves.

The second set of links was to the materials and tools I used to prove that one claim about EGW was a bald-faced lie.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread is closed.

Apparently you all were too busy chatting about grammar to catch the post regarding staying on topic.