Sex and infertility

[donna369]

this has probably been spoken of before but i can’t find it. i give warning and apology if this is too graphic.
here is the issue. if a couple know they have absolutely no chance of creating life is it ok for them to engage in oral sex that does not end with the man climaxing inside the woman if he is unable to maintain himself in that activity. is it also ok to bring the woman to climax without penetration, particularly if she is unable to climax in that way but requires alternate stimulation?

 

[1ke]

No.

A completed act of intercourse is the only properly ordered use of the sexual faculties in the marital embrace.

 

[donna369]

even if the male is unable to do so but still desires relations? and the female is unable to climax thru this anyway? does this mean they must now be celibate?

 

[1ke]

even if the male is unable to do so but still desires relations?

yes.

and the female is unable to climax thru this anyway?

yes.

does this mean they must now be celibate?

Celibate means unmarried. Perhaps you meant continent.

Everyone is called to chastity in their state in life. In marriage, chaste intimacy means that we follow God’s plan for sexuality. If there comes a point when we cannot have intercourse, then we accept that. Engaging in disordered acts in place of intercourse is objectively immoral.

However, the couple in question should see their doctors for assessment and possible treatment.

 

[SMGS127]

this has probably been spoken of before but i can’t find it. i give warning and apology if this is too graphic.
here is the issue. if a couple know they have absolutely no chance of creating life is it ok for them to engage in oral sex that does not end with the man climaxing inside the woman if he is unable to maintain himself in that activity. is it also ok to bring the woman to climax without penetration, particularly if she is unable to climax in that way but requires alternate stimulation?

The woman may have alternate stimulation in addition to penetrative sex (as well as any other sex act that maintains the dignity of both members), but the sex act absolutely must finish with penetrative sex.

 

[PJM]

=donna369;10944707]this has probably been spoken of before but i can’t find it. i give warning and apology if this is too graphic.
here is the issue. if a couple know they have absolutely no chance of creating life is it ok for them to engage in oral sex that does not end with the man climaxing inside the woman if he is unable to maintain himself in that activity. is it also ok to bring the woman to climax without penetration, particularly if she is unable to climax in that way but requires alternate stimulation?

YES! Absolutely

Here’s why: the condition is a result of God’s Perfect Will for that couple!

Marriage has TWO purposes:
Procreation
And unification or what I call: “Marriage Cement.”

There is nothing wrong with Married sex; even when God imposes the possibility of no possibility of children.

Enjoyment of each other is a VALID fact of married life.

 

[1ke]

YES! Absolutely

Here’s why: the condition is a result of God’s Perfect Will for that couple!

Marriage has TWO purposes:
Procreation
And unification [or what I call: “Marriage Cement.”

There is nothing wrong with Married sex; even when God imposes the possibility of no possibility of children.

Enjoyment of each other is a VALID fact of married life.

This contradicts Church teaching.

One may not engage in masturbatory (oral or manual) acts in place of intercourse. Perhaps you misunderstood what the OP was asking.
[/quote]

 

[fpt]

this has probably been spoken of before but i can’t find it. i give warning and apology if this is too graphic.
here is the issue. if a couple know they have absolutely no chance of creating life is it ok for them to engage in oral sex that does not end with the man climaxing inside the woman if he is unable to maintain himself in that activity. is it also ok to bring the woman to climax without penetration, particularly if she is unable to climax in that way but requires alternate stimulation?

In this situation (the almost 100% of certainty of infertility),** the marital act is morally permissible in the respect of the natural moral order with the three moments, before with the corollaries, during with the corollaries, and after with corollaries. **

Each member of couple can practice, and *“must or has to practice” *the sexual cooperation, in the human fashion in the respect of the natural material order of the marital act. By nature, all is almost morally permissible in the context of the marital act. There are some bans, and in fact not a lot.

By nature, the modus operendi of the marital act is poetic, is free and has to be human (the respect of the human nature, body and soul with their own corolaries). The carnal love, the carnal tenderness, the carnal true liberty, the natural carnal acts in the marriage are a gift, a present, a duty, a obligation and a right. The sexed body (the sexual complementarity and the sexual alterity) has as function of expressing the love, in making one flesh with sexual cooperation, in the human fashion. *The nature of acts, the function of acts, the role of acts, the end of acts, the intention of acts, the circonstance of acts…etc. are the key for understanding the real love and the true morality.
*

 

[Mulligan2]

Too much micromanagement of intimacy can ruin the enjoyment and unity.