Should anti abortion campaigners use images of aborted babies?

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CBER and perhaps others use images of aborted babies to raise awareness of the horrors of abortion. Do you think that using these images is necessary to expose the violence that happens behind closed doors or do you think that it causes unneccesary damage to people to see the images.

I would also like to see how many and how old your children are if you have any.
 
marcsababa said:
CBER and perhaps others use images of aborted babies to raise awareness of the horrors of abortion. Do you think that using these images is necessary to expose the violence that happens behind closed doors or do you think that it causes unneccesary damage to people to see the images.

I would also like to see how many and how old your children are if you have any.
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I have two kids 3y/o and 15y/o.
The 15y/o I have no issues with him seeing these images…
The 3y/o I have MAJOR issues with him seeing those images.
As to if these images are necessary…I am undecided on that.
 
I think these images are necessary to get across the point that an unborn child isn’t just a blob of cells. When you can actually see that the baby looks like a baby, you can make a more informed “choice”. I know there are still women cold enough to go ahead and kill their child, but the vast majority would be unable to lie to themselves. Men, too, need these images so they won’t be so cavalier about pressuring their girlfriends into abortion. I used to be pro-abortion in high school and i think if someone would have, using pictures, explained how very quickly life develops in the womb, i may not have been such a moron.
Also, i’m a proud mommy of two. One is two next month and one is 5 months old.
 
Better to post pictures of babies in the womb rather than in the bucket?

A constant negative campaign isn’t exactly getting anywhere fast, time to try something to apeal rather than to shock.
 
I think the most effective thing is to show sonograms of living babies in the mother’s womb. I truly & honestly don’t think the pix of dead babies does anything one way or the other to influence adults on the subject of abortion…
Why? Well, for one thing, our culture has so much violence, that we aren’t that sensitive to it.
For another, the pictures of dead babies…What do they do to convince anyone that a preborn infant is a person?? People aren’t dumb. The vast majority of folks know what an unborn child looks like. The problem is convincing them of the fact that this is a person with the same rights as the rest of us. ( Slaveowners knew that their slaves were people; they went on owning them, they had to understand that black Americans have rights.
The WW2 era Germans knew that Jews were people; it didn’t keep them from killing some 6 million of them, because they didn’t believe that Jews had rights).
And I agree with Karin about small kids. I really worry about how that will affect them, seeing the pictures of dismembered little bodies. Children ***are ***sensitive to these sights. They haven’t had time to be hardened to violence by the time spent living in this world like adults.

All the pix of dead babies in the world are not going to change people’s hearts & minds anywhere like the sight of a baby alive & moving inside mom.
 
marcsababa said:
CBER and perhaps others use images of aborted babies to raise awareness of the horrors of abortion. Do you think that using these images is necessary to expose the violence that happens behind closed doors or do you think that it causes unneccesary damage to people to see the images.

I would also like to see how many and how old your children are if you have any.
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62 years old, no children

The trouble with shock tactics is that they wear off sooner or later. Usually sooner. Kind of like negative campainging. Works for awhile, then fatigue sets in.

I am 22 years sober, and work with a lot of women in AA going through this crises. They feel TRAPPED. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Both sides piling the guilt up high.

OPINION time: blood and gore and good old fashioned Catholic Guilt will not work in the long run, especially for those who are not Catholic. Many women regard anti-abortion laws as a way for a male dominated society to put chains back on them. Blacks will not allow Jim Crow laws to come back, and in the long run anti-abortion laws will also not prevail. Not permanently.

OPINION. Only love and COMPASSION will stem the tide of abortion, Women must be persuaded to do so voluntarily, not with legal sanctions, anti-abortion laws, and laws who main purpose is to impose obsticles to abortion. Nor with shock tactics.

OPINION: This also means MONEY for women who do have their children. Forcing them to bear children, then ditching them and their child to live in poverty will not work in the long run either.

OPINION. Making adoption totally guilt-free would help also
 
I would say that such images can be very helpful, but only when used sparingly. My 12 year old daughter came to the March for Life with me this past year where she saw some of these pictures for the first time. I know that she will be a pro-lifer for life now. Even though she knew before what abortion was and I am very active in the pro-life movement, it didn’t really hit home for her until she saw these pictures.
My other children are 8, 6, and 3. The 8 and 6 year old know that abortion means killing a baby before it is born, but they have never seen graphic pictures. As they get older, and I take them to the march too, they will also see these pictures, and I hope they make as big of an impression on them as it did on my oldest daughter, who is looking forward to attending the march again this year.
 
For many years the very thought of seeing images of aborted children repulsed me. Surely less confrontational tactics would be more effective I thought. After seeing the images on the Internet at the Priests for Life website however I realized the brutal reality of abortion. It was beyond imagination. I went further and read testimonies of abortion practitioners bragging to the courts how skillfully they “disarticulated” the babies as they probed, grabbed, twisted, and pulled them through their mother’s cervix. With horror I realized these “doctors” have totally disconnected from reality. They no longer see the deliberate piecemeal destruction of human beings but actually take pride and satisfaction in their work.

This madness must be stopped. The toll of victims in U.S. alone since 1973 is over 47 million, excluding all the women maimed and killed. [Approximately, one in 500 surgical abortions results in serious injury to the mother.]

While all are not called to give such bold public witness we are all called to pray the rosary and do penance, penance, penance in reparation. We dare not impede this effort; “what is hidden” must be proclaimed from the rooftops or we may just find ourselves fighting against God.
 
Dr.Alveda King, niece of Martin Luther King Jr. understands the place of images in this civil rights movement. After all, this is a battle to gain recognition for the unborn children.
equality is not something you can see. What you can see are people. My uncle knew that the ugly reality of segregation had to be seen visually by the American public. He therefore organized events at which the eyes of the media could broadcast the way our people were treated when water hoses and dogs were unleashed on their peaceful marches. People responded to those images, not simply to abstract concepts of “segregation” and “equality.”…
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priestsforlife.org/articles/visuallearning.htm
 
Andruschak said:
Only love and COMPASSION will stem the tide of abortion
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I agree with everything you’ve said.

Unfortunately, we live in a world of harsh cruelty to each other. Consider the (normally right-wing) hard-line anti-abortion crowd? Present them with an increased tax demand for extra welfare for single mothers and watch the true colours fly to the surface.

I look at the world we live in an wonder if being born is a cruelty? I certainly would hesitate to bring a child into it.
 
I was three or four the first time I saw a grusome abortion picture, and most through my life, becuase of a relative that was anti-abortion.

For other reasons I’m anti-abortion but I’m not support of pictures that depict blood and gore unless to the support workers (such as nurses or secretaries) who are often blazingly unaware of what ACTUALLY goes on.

I’m also against children protesting (protesting, not praying) becuase I think that children pressure themselves to protest hard and that an inordinate sence of guilt for something SO outside of themselves falls upon them.
 
Andruschak said:
62 years old, no children

The trouble with shock tactics is that they wear off sooner or later. Usually sooner. Kind of like negative campainging. Works for awhile, then fatigue sets in.

I am 22 years sober, and work with a lot of women in AA going through this crises. They feel TRAPPED. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Both sides piling the guilt up high.

OPINION time: blood and gore and good old fashioned Catholic Guilt will not work in the long run, especially for those who are not Catholic. Many women regard anti-abortion laws as a way for a male dominated society to put chains back on them. Blacks will not allow Jim Crow laws to come back, and in the long run anti-abortion laws will also not prevail. Not permanently.

OPINION. Only love and COMPASSION will stem the tide of abortion, Women must be persuaded to do so voluntarily, not with legal sanctions, anti-abortion laws, and laws who main purpose is to impose obsticles to abortion. Nor with shock tactics.

OPINION: This also means MONEY for women who do have their children. Forcing them to bear children, then ditching them and their child to live in poverty will not work in the long run either.

OPINION. Making adoption totally guilt-free would help also
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I just have to say that I LOVED your post.
 
For over 20 years I have been involved in different aspects of the prolife movement, and I believe there is no one, right way to help stop abortion. On the legislative front it seems almost impossible to make any headway, but we can’t stop trying.
I work at a Pregnancy Counseling Center where we offer help to those mothers in need. We don’t have one, but the use of ultrasound machines greatly increases an awareness of the humanity of the unborn child and definitely saves lives. The problem is that most women headed to the abortion clinic don’t stop by the Crisis Pregnancy Center first.
I do sidewalk counseling at the local abortion clinic. Many girls going in, or their companions, tell me that “it’s not a baby yet”. In the short time, maybe 45 seconds to a couple of minutes, that it takes to walk to the clinic doors, there is not much time to explain the TRUTH of their child’s humanity. We also have clinic escorts who surround the girls and try to drown out our voices.
Through letters to the editors of newspapers, work with Maternity homes, bringing prolife speakers, trying to educate the youth and the many other prolife activities, a certain number of people will be reached. For the vast majority of our citizens, the only abortion education will be from the tv and newspaper, and we know what kind of job they do.
I have been involved with a CBR campus display and have supported their work. It is so easy for most people to deny the reality of abortion when they don’t even realize what it involves. The reality is that a person is torn limb from limb and a mother is left to deal with it for the rest of her life. If the situation were that children up to 2 years old could be legally killed if the mother decided, would it be OK to show THEIR dead bodies? We would be so horrified that a mother could kill her toddler we would do anything necessary to stop her. Why is our compassion and outrage any less for the baby at a younger age?
There is no one way to reach all people. A certain segment will only be brought to reality by seeing the ugly truth. Fortunately Dr. Martin Luther King realized this or we may still have “For Whites Only” signs on our water fountains.

Since you asked for the info M, I have 10 children from 12 years to 31 years old.
 
I am against using actual images. When I was about eight or nine my Mom and I were walking out of the building where my orthodontist was located and a prolife group was demonstrating using very graphic poster sized pictures of aborted babies. I fully agree that life begins at conception and abortion is killing an innocent baby, but I do not think graphic pictures are the way to get the message across. Seeing those pictures left a very negative image in my mind of pro-life supporters for a long time because I felt like they were not respecting the rights of parents who do not want their young children to see such violent pictures. There was no way to walk out of the building without seeing those pictures. Later on, pro-life groups used to demonstrate at my college campus using the same type of pictures. But there were still small children present on campus because many working parents attending my school and there was an on-campus day care. I know most pro-life groups are much more respectful but I think graphic pictures when inappropriately used turn off many people from becoming involved in prolife activities.

I am very pro-life and think pictures can be used in an educational manner to alert people to the horrors of abortion, but they are often misused and can do more harm than good. I think it would be more effective to use pictures like that in brochures and leave them off posters when demonstrating.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
Durendin said:
I agree with everything you’ve said.

Unfortunately, we live in a world of harsh cruelty to each other. Consider the (normally right-wing) hard-line anti-abortion crowd? Present them with an increased tax demand for extra welfare for single mothers and watch the true colours fly to the surface.

I look at the world we live in an wonder if being born is a cruelty? I certainly would hesitate to bring a child into it.
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I put that hesitation into practice. My 3 cats are more than an adaquate substitute for children (opinion)👍
 
Yes, I post them up here in Ireland, if it pricks someones conscience and stops another child being murdered, then I won’t make any excuses for doing so.
I’d rather horrify them with a picture of an aborted baby, than a picture of hell.
 
marcsababa said:
CBER and perhaps others use images of aborted babies to raise awareness of the horrors of abortion. Do you think that using these images is necessary to expose the violence that happens behind closed doors or do you think that it causes unneccesary damage to people to see the images.

I would also like to see how many and how old your children are if you have any.
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If so many people accept that we have a holocaust museum, why balk at the idea of abortion images?

Everything about abortion is so tightly hidden and shoved under the surface. No one is allowed to say the “a” word. It is all about choice, reproductive rights, termination and the like.

Nobody gets to see what goes on in the little room. No one gets to see the little pre-born baby other than the attending.

We incinerate the bodies, burn them into dust. We label women who die from abortion complications as “dead due to reproductive complication” or “unknown.”

Why the silence? Why must it hide in the dark? Why would someone be scared of the image of an aborted baby? Is it perhaps because, wow, it’s a horrible, mind defying, disgusting evil?

Remember just half a century ago when America didn’t even know what was going on across the ocean? When mass killings were called economic changes or cleansing?

Sure, be charitable and of course never target very young children who cannot comprehend an image and only see it. But not to use truth? Why? Fear of truth?
 
hasikelee said:
If so many people accept that we have a holocaust museum, why balk at the idea of abortion images?
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Because people go into the holocaust museum knowing that there will be graphic pictures. People passing by an abortion clinic who don’t want to go there do not need to see those pictures.
 
My kids are 13,11,9,5,3 and 1.

And BTW, I’m not for forced charity. I am for charity. At this point I give my money (hardly any of which gets to poor, starving families) to causes like killing babies and saving frogs, building bridges to nowhere and another 10% on top of that to charity. I’d love to be able to give all of the money that goes to the frogs and spend them on an actual single mother.:mad:
 
All the pix of dead babies in the world are not going to change people’s hearts & minds anywhere like the sight of a baby alive & moving inside mom.
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Respectfully, you simply don’t have the proof that this is true. Those who have used both kinds of pictures have been watching the results for years and can tell you that these pictures are very effective. You can keep saying they don’t have any effect but personal experience in the field would probably tell you otherwise.
 
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