Should the re-distrubution of wealth and power be worldwide?

[Robert_Sock]

Call out the instigators
Because there’s something in the air
We’ve got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution’s here, and you know it’s right
And you know that it’s right
-Thunderclap Newman

 

[Della]

Call out the instigators
Because there’s something in the air
We’ve got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution’s here, and you know it’s right
And you know that it’s right
-Thunderclap Newman

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it’s evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don’t you know that you can count me out?

Don’t you know it’s gonna be
Alright?
Alright?
Alright?

You say you’ve got a real solution
Well, you know
We’d all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We are doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is, brother, you’ll have to wait

Don’t you know it’s gonna be
Alright?
Alright?
Alright?

You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You’d better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow

Don’t you know it’s gonna be
Alright? [Repeat: x6] John Lennon

 

[Robert_Sock]

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it’s evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don’t you know that you can count me out?

Don’t you know it’s gonna be
Alright?
Alright?
Alright?

You say you’ve got a real solution
Well, you know
We’d all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We are doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is, brother, you’ll have to wait

Don’t you know it’s gonna be
Alright?
Alright?
Alright?

You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You’d better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow

Don’t you know it’s gonna be
Alright? [Repeat: x6] John Lennon

The lyrics of these two songs need not conflict. For example, the revolution the Beatles were talking about was with the hippy movement of the 60s. While the lyrics that Thunderclap Newman is talking about fits perfectly to what is happening worldwide today. Just look at how revolutionary the world has become in the past 150 years. Just a few yeas ago we were living in the industrial revolution, but today we are already well within the digital revolution.

With the digital revolution will come drastic economic and social change.

 

[Robert_Sock]

So, why are you pushing any form of socialism? Free people create jobs and are productive. Ensalved people do not and are not. It’s just that simple. We shouldn’t be enslaved to anyone, be it government or big business. Small businesses are still the backbone of a free economy, always have been and always will be. That’s how it works.

I’m not trying to push anything. I’m just trying to paint a picture of truth. Surely we are enslaved in this miserable and corrupt world. Consider the following by Saint Anthony Mary Claret:

*The Golden Key to Heaven
by Saint Anthony Mary Claret

The death of the just: Death will reach everyone, the good and the bad; but the destiny of each one is quite different. The just man sees himself in this valley of tears as a prisoner, serving a very hard term. He considers himself a slave in this world, suffering an extremely distressing servitude. He regards himself a sailor caught in a horrible storm. And as death means an end of his confinement, an end of his slavery, and is the port of his salvation, he ceases not to cry with David, “Woe is me that my sojourning is prolonged!. . .” (Ps. 119:5). He ceases not to ask with the Apostle, “. . . Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” (Rom. 7:24) *

 

[ACCT]

EQUALITY OF OUTCOME

Congress is fickle. When Congress is in session, we do not know what to expect. Congress believes in salvation by law. If only there were a perfect law, there would be a perfect society???

There is a difference in equal opportunity and equality of outcome. Congress believes in **equality of outcome, which is a socialist idea. ** I do not think that IRAs, etc. for “rich” Americans are safe from the socialist ideals of Congress.

This is the **taxation plank of the Socialist party **platform of 1928:

“Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.”

The highest personal income tax rate in 1928 was 28%. In 1978 it was 70%. I think that the total taxes paid by the average American is over 50%. Perhaps we should not have rebelled against King George. I think that King George only charged 17% in taxes.

This country was not founded on income taxes. Income taxes were unconstitutional until Congress passed the Sixteenth Amendment.

 

[MotoCatholic]

I admit I’m new to this thread and have just skimmed it. But I saw this and it reminded me of a major “facebook fiasco” that happened to me last year. Some of my protestant friends were going on and on about “see the Catholics want to take over the world governments…they’re communist…they’re evil…” So I did 15 minutes of research on the original popular-media source for their outrage - and guess what? it was severely lacking in truth. Imagine that. Well they just took it and ran with it. Of course they did-they’re otherwise smart people, that pretty much hate the Catholic Church.

So I posted the following 3 links. The first is the document from the Ponitfical Council for Justice and Peace. The second is a commentary on this document from Lifesite News. The third is the actual Pontifical document. They’re worth a read. This is a very complicated issue. The Church in no way promotes a “one world government,” primarily, I think, because it knows these governments are run by corrupt, sinful human beings. (I can hear my same protestant friends now…“yeah, and the Catholic Church is the worst among them…”). The “discrepancies” between these documents highlight the need for leadership and clarity in the Church. They also highlight the real rifts that exist within the Church. But as is usually the case, if you go to the actual Pontifical documents, and take the time to read it, it’s pretty crystal clear.

news.va/en/news/full-text-note-on-financial-reform-from-the-pontif

lifesitenews.com/news/michael-obrien-comments-on-vatican-call-for-world-financial-authority?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=eec26de242-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines10_27_2011&utm_medium=email

askacatholic.com/_Resources/document_directory/POPE_BENEDICT_XVI_Caritas-In-Veritate.pdf

There will be a test! God Bless

Moto

 

[sedonaman]

… Consider the following by Saint Anthony Mary Claret:

*The Golden Key to Heaven
by Saint Anthony Mary Claret

The death of the just: … etc.*
So? What does this have to do with the OP question? Just asking.

 

[Della]

The lyrics of these two songs need not conflict. For example, the revolution the Beatles were talking about was with the hippy movement of the 60s. While the lyrics that Thunderclap Newman is talking about fits perfectly to what is happening worldwide today. Just look at how revolutionary the world has become in the past 150 years. Just a few yeas ago we were living in the industrial revolution, but today we are already well within the digital revolution.

With the digital revolution will come drastic economic and social change.

I lived through the hippy movement and I can tell you that’s NOT what Lennon was writing about. He was writing about imposing skewed ideals on the world such as communism and socialism. The man lived it and heard his friends advocating it and had the good sense to reject it wholesale.

Political systems cannot cure spiritual ailments but they can make them better or worse, and socialism makes them worse, far worse than democracy and every man having responsibility for his own affairs.