Silent mass (TLM)

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I am absoulutely new to this mass form. Can anyone give me a hint how it works (and i know this one sounds terrible) but do you recieve communion there?

Sorry for my lack of knowledge yet for the old and so beautiful massform. I have been to TLM masses, but not this form yet. I might have a chance this afternoon.
 
You’ll get better, quicker answers to this over on the Traditional Catholicism board.
 
I am absoulutely new to this mass form. Can anyone give me a hint how it works (and i know this one sounds terrible) but do you recieve communion there?

Sorry for my lack of knowledge yet for the old and so beautiful massform. I have been to TLM masses, but not this form yet. I might have a chance this afternoon.
In the Extraordinary Form of the Holy Mass, Communion is received kneeling and on the tongue. The communicant does not reply “Amen” after the priest says “Corpus Domini Nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam. Amen” - because the priest himself has said the “Amen”!

I would suggest that you look at the SanctaMissa website - www.sanctamissa.org - which is an excellent resource for anyone interested in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. There is a section on the “Low Mass” - which I presume is what you are talking about: the priest is not permitted to sing at all in the Low Mass, though the organ may be played and a choir may sing hymns (though the Propers and the Ordinary are not sung at a Low Mass).
 
I am absoulutely new to this mass form. Can anyone give me a hint how it works (and i know this one sounds terrible) but do you recieve communion there?

Sorry for my lack of knowledge yet for the old and so beautiful massform. I have been to TLM masses, but not this form yet. I might have a chance this afternoon.
My wife and I are fairly new to TLM as well, and as others have said, I think that you are referring to the Low Mass where there is little that is said outloud. I just attended a Low Mass yesterday and I have to say that it was amazingly beautiful. I had an English to Latin missal with me and was able to follow along which helped me out. Mass, as we know, is not about being able to hear the words that the priest is saying, but about Jesus Christ. Being there allowed me to begin to focus more on that.

I am still in the process of learning about “how” TLM “works” yet I feel that this is the closest I have felt to Christ at Mass. Not that I do not enjoy the NO mass, but it depends on where you go (if you know what I mean). Coming to appreciate TLM is something that I am striving to do and I feel that as I go more often and learn more about what is going on at the altar and the meanings behind what is happening, I know that this will only increase my appreciation of the Mass.

I pray that you enjoy your experience today.
 
Mass, as we know, is not about being able to hear the words that the priest is saying, but about Jesus Christ.
It’s not? I understand some things the Priest says is not to be heard anyway, but I want to hear something. How else am I supposed to participate when I don’t even hear what the priest, who represents Jesus Christ is saying? Am I just supposed to follow the movement?

I was at a mass last night and it was sung, but I did not hear the last Gospel. So I was reading it in my Missal (my new Roman Catholic 1962 missal- yay!) and I thought I saw a movement out of the corner of my eyes, and it was the priest kneeling at the 'Et verbum caro est". So I was fumbling to genuflect.

Not good.
 
It’s not? I understand some things the Priest says is not to be heard anyway, but I want to hear something. How else am I supposed to participate when I don’t even hear what the priest, who represents Jesus Christ is saying? Am I just supposed to follow the movement?
Right – you follow along in your missal, keeping track of where you are by watching the movements of the priest from one corner of the altar over to the other, etc. You can see why many people would find other things to do during Mass like say the Rosary.
I was at a mass last night and it was sung, but I did not hear the last Gospel. So I was reading it in my Missal (my new Roman Catholic 1962 missal- yay!) and I thought I saw a movement out of the corner of my eyes, and it was the priest kneeling at the 'Et verbum caro est". So I was fumbling to genuflect.
Not good.
Although it is a pious practice for the congregation to genuflect along with the priest during the Last Gospel, it is not required by any rubric. It is actually an ahistoric practice: the Last Gospel was originally a private devotion for the priest to say as he was walking back to the sacristy. Eventually, it got encrusted onto the Mass and by the time of the standardization of the Roman Rite in 1570 it actually appeared in the Missale. But it is, at its heart, still a private devotion of the priest, and has nothing to do with the congregation, who are free to engage in their own private devotions.

This is why the priest does not proclaim or sing it, and also why it is not said by the deacon like the liturgical Gospel is, nor from the ambo. At a sung or high Mass, the Last Gospel must be said silently, and the permission (not a requirement, either) to say it out loud at low Mass only dates from the era of the liturgical reforms of the 1920s.
 
You can see why many people would find other things to do during Mass like say the Rosary.
Yeah, and I don’t see that as a good thing.
But it is, at its heart, still a private devotion of the priest, and has nothing to do with the congregation, who are free to engage in their own private devotions.
Interesting history! It has certainly made its way into the missal and I’m pretty sure the priest sort of turned a couple of inches towards the people as a cue for us to genuflect.

I do not see it as a good thing to go to mass and to have to do your own private devotions because you can’t hear a word. I feel that we should be focused on every movement, every sound, so that we can align our intentions with the priest.

Otherwise I can show up for mass with my latest Scott Hahn book and read it while the mass is going on.

Or better yet, I can save myself a train fare by turning on EWTN at home, have the mass playing in the background, while I read the bible or pray.
 
It’s not? I understand some things the Priest says is not to be heard anyway, but I want to hear something. How else am I supposed to participate when I don’t even hear what the priest, who represents Jesus Christ is saying? Am I just supposed to follow the movement?

I was at a mass last night and it was sung, but I did not hear the last Gospel. So I was reading it in my Missal (my new Roman Catholic 1962 missal- yay!) and I thought I saw a movement out of the corner of my eyes, and it was the priest kneeling at the 'Et verbum caro est". So I was fumbling to genuflect.

Not good.
Here we go again…more pitching fits.
 
Thanks for the response guys/girls. But do me favour: do not make this thread to another fight that ends up being deleted.
 
I am absoulutely new to this mass form. Can anyone give me a hint how it works (and i know this one sounds terrible) but do you recieve communion there?

Sorry for my lack of knowledge yet for the old and so beautiful massform. I have been to TLM masses, but not this form yet. I might have a chance this afternoon.
You can recieve communion at the Latin Mass just like everything else in the Latin Mass, by remaining silent.

In the TLM, the faithful stay silent from beginning to end. Any responses needed are provided by the altar servers and the priest.

Its why they call it “the silent mass” and also why Catholics are such weak singers and responders in church- it just hasn’t been part of the culture for long for the faithful to speak up.
 
The theory behind the silent Mass was and is that the Mass spreads out the grace of Jesus Christ. We do not receive that grace trough activity, like participation in the Mass, but through our heart, intention and overall life. The grace is invisible, inaudible, intangible any way.

From the pew the silent Mass was silent. There are some answering in part of the server, but that is not audible from the pew. Above that the only required audible hals sentence is : Nobis quoque peccatoribus = And we sinners too - a while after the consecration. Nothing in vernacular, except an additional prayer (Leo XIII prayer) which was not part of the mass.

Laymen could receive the Eucharist, that is inside the mass but a separate rite. That rite had audible parts.
 
I was at a mass last night and it was sung, but I did not hear the last Gospel. So I was reading it in my Missal (my new Roman Catholic 1962 missal- yay!) and I thought I saw a movement out of the corner of my eyes, and it was the priest kneeling at the 'Et verbum caro est". So I was fumbling to genuflect.

Not good.
Not to worry about the fumbling. At least you’re paying attention. Give it a couple more months you’ll have it memorized. 🙂
 
Its why they call it “the silent mass” and also why Catholics are such weak singers and responders in church- it just hasn’t been part of the culture for long for the faithful to speak up.
Maybe it’s the songs. Catholics knew the words and had sung hymns like “Come Holy Ghost,” “Immaculate Mother,” and “Holy God, We Praise Thy Name” for a long time.
 
Are you talking about a private Mass with 2 or 3 people present as found in Benedictine Monasteries? At the beginning of the canon the server or priest will ask how many wish to communicate so that the right number of hosts are put on the paten to be consecrated.
 
It’s not? I understand some things the Priest says is not to be heard anyway, but I want to hear something. How else am I supposed to participate when I don’t even hear what the priest, who represents Jesus Christ is saying? Am I just supposed to follow the movement?

I was at a mass last night and it was sung, but I did not hear the last Gospel. So I was reading it in my Missal (my new Roman Catholic 1962 missal- yay!) and I thought I saw a movement out of the corner of my eyes, and it was the priest kneeling at the 'Et verbum caro est". So I was fumbling to genuflect.

Not good.
That would only happen the first time. I have since put away my missal for everything other than the propers and Kyriale and just absorb the action at the altar.

as for the Low Mass being silent, I don’t get it though. At the FSSP Masses I attend, virtually everything is spoken audibly at Low Mass except where the rubrics call for inaudible prayer. About the only silent parts are the aufer, Munda cor, the offertory prayers, the orate fratres after the words orate fratres, the canon communion prayers etc. Everything else is audible.
 
It seems simple to solve. If you want to hear everything go to a high Mass or a low Mass with people, As I have the Mass prayers memorized after so many years I love a silent Mass with the priest and me as server. Being so close to the priest I can hear whispering the prayers.
 
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