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God is simple. Knowledge is structured (which means it is not simple). So God is either knowledge (because it has to be simple) or has knowledge (which means He has a body)? None of these cases can be correct.
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Theosis
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In the practice of contemplative prayer it is understood that the one who practices it must remove any and all thoughts. The mind must be left in a kind of darkness or cloud of not-knowing. Contemplative Prayer is an “unknowing” and a “stretching out” in love or desire for God as He Is in Himself. One does not think any thought about God in this… only the simple awareness that He Is as He Is.
I know this may not help with an apologetic or philosophical approach but, the truth is, God is beyond any idea, thought or knowledge of Him. Anything that can be said of God is not God… it is only a human compartmentalization of Him to help lift one up to Him who is beyond all created things…
I know this may not help with an apologetic or philosophical approach but, the truth is, God is beyond any idea, thought or knowledge of Him. Anything that can be said of God is not God… it is only a human compartmentalization of Him to help lift one up to Him who is beyond all created things…
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STT
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Does God know Himself?I know this may not help with an apologetic or philosophical approach but, the truth is, God is beyond any idea, thought or knowledge of Him.
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Dan_Defender
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As usual, your premise is incorrect. Human knowledge is structured, God is not bound by our limitations.
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Theosis
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Indeed. But in a way that transcends our human understanding.
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JimG
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Indeed God knows Himself. God is pure spirit, and spirit has no parts. God has the faculties of intellect and will. I might know myself by forming an idea of myself. But my idea of myself is imperfect. God’s idea of Himself is perfect, lacking nothing of the original, even including the aspect of personhood. In knowing himself, God the Father eternally generates the Son, the Divine Logos.Does God know Himself?
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Benadam
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To know a frog fully one must be a frog. God knows all that is fully. Isn’t that a simple mode of knowing?
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STT
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So, how God knowledge looks like if it is not structured?As usual, your premise is incorrect. Human knowledge is structured, God is not bound by our limitations.
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STT
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And God Himself is Knowledge?Indeed God knows Himself.
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Dan_Defender
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God’s knowledge is perfect. Because He is fully immaterial. The more immaterial a being is, the more knowledge it is capable of.
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Freddy
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How do you become a little bit immaterial?God’s knowledge is perfect. Because He is fully immaterial. The more immaterial a being is, the more knowledge it is capable of.
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STT
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What do you mean with perfect? Do you mean that it does not have structure?God’s knowledge is perfect. Because He is fully immaterial. The more immaterial a being is, the more knowledge it is capable of.
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God is simple. This means God’s Essence is His Existence. Therefore whatever is attributed of God is God Himself. So, if God knows anything, that knowledge is God Himself.God is simple. Knowledge is structured (which means it is not simple). So God is either knowledge (because it has to be simple) or has knowledge (which means He has a body)? None of these cases can be correct.
Knowledge is simply to have an object in the mind. The freer a mind is - the less bound by “structural” limits, like a body, or even by potentiality at all - the more it will be able to know and even know by its nature. God knows all things through Himself, as all things come from Him and thus are virtually contained in Him. In this way He is also present to all things (by power). That leaves us with the contrary of your claim, “God cannot be knowledge.”
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Knowledge is not in mind since knowledge has form. We however experience knowledge.Knowledge is simply to have an object in the mind.
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kapp19
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I do not see how that is a coherent position at all. If knowledge is not something in the mind, then I have no idea what a mind is or what knowledge is.Knowledge is not in mind since knowledge has form. We however experience knowledge.
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Could we agree that God doesn’t have any form? Could we agree that God doesn’t have any outside inside? How he could have access to knowledge if knowledge has structure?I do not see how that is a coherent position at all. If knowledge is not something in the mind, then I have no idea what a mind is or what knowledge is.
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Wesrock
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What do you mean by structure when you write “knowledge has structure”? What does it mean to you that knowledge is structured? Please elaborate.
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Knowledge is a set of propositions that are structured in coherent manner. By structure I mean that the propositions are related.What do you mean by structure when you write “knowledge has structure”? What does it mean to you that knowledge is structured? Please elaborate.
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So the question being asked is how can a purely simple being in every respect be compatible with something composed like knowledge (which requires its presence to be in a being in order to create like God), correct?
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Yes. You got it.So the question being asked is how can a purely simple being in every respect be compatible with something composed like knowledge (which requires its presence to be in a being in order to create like God), correct?
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