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o_mlly
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Is it within Catholic thinking to propose: “There is no sin, only sinners; no sanctity, only saints.”
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praise_Jesus_1
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I’m not exactly sure what that statement means.
It seems in my little mind that it contradicts itself.
For example it starts with “There is no sin, only sinners”
But to me the definition of a sinner is someone who commits a sin.
So the existence of a sinner would imply the existence of sin. Because a sinner couldn’t be a sinner without sin.
But maybe I’m just not seeing what the statement is trying to imply…
It seems in my little mind that it contradicts itself.
For example it starts with “There is no sin, only sinners”
But to me the definition of a sinner is someone who commits a sin.
So the existence of a sinner would imply the existence of sin. Because a sinner couldn’t be a sinner without sin.
But maybe I’m just not seeing what the statement is trying to imply…
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Moscati
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I think maybe the statement is trying to say that we can’t really understand sin or sanctity apart from how they are expressed in human beings.
The existence of a sinner implies the existence of sin, but the existence of sin also implies the existence of a sinner. There can be no sin without a person to commit it.
It seems unnecessarily confusing to me, though. What’s the context?
The existence of a sinner implies the existence of sin, but the existence of sin also implies the existence of a sinner. There can be no sin without a person to commit it.
It seems unnecessarily confusing to me, though. What’s the context?
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o_mlly
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If the context is ontological, I think the proposal false. If the context is epistemological, I think the statement true.I think maybe the statement is trying to say that we can’t really understand sin or sanctity apart from how they are expressed in human beings.
The existence of a sinner implies the existence of sin, but the existence of sin also implies the existence of a sinner. There can be no sin without a person to commit it.
It seems unnecessarily confusing to me, though. What’s the context?
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puzzleannie
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no it is not. there is an objective definition of sin, and of holiness.Is it within Catholic thinking to propose: “There is no sin, only sinners; no sanctity, only saints.”
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o_mlly
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I think if you examine those objective definitions, you’ll find a sine qua non subjective component.no it is not. there is an objective definition of sin, and of holiness.
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