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Does Music have a purpose? Yes, for music is in heaven. What is the purpose? To worship God. Now, when music is made fitting for Satanic messages by being conveyed in a certain way (distortion, heavy rhythmic drums, etc), it is turned aside from its purpose.

The way to turn it BACK is not to change the Lyrics, but the style itself, along with the wholesale rejection of the context in which the change occurred.
 
The Catholic Church is already sadly down that road. I hear too many Catholics say yoga is demonic. I mean look at the thread on sr Cristina
 
I don’t think the Catholics on here are representative of most. I ran into a lady at a traditional devotion who had bought a little “examination of conscience” book the traditionalists were selling as a fund raiser and she started going on to me about how shocked she was to see yoga listed as a sin in the book.
Most of us understand that if we are doing mere physical stretches and not getting into the spiritual dimensions of it, it’s no problem.
 
StAugustine said:
Does Music have a purpose? Yes, for music is in heaven. What is the purpose? To worship God.
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Yes, and all music contains at least some glory to God. Even music intended for evil is still using what God gave us (sound and silence) in a way He intended us to use it (creatively). To think that certain sounds (e.g. distortion, those made by certain instruments, etc.) or creative uses (i.e. rhythms and melodies) can at all be inherently sinful is ridiculous. They didn’t come about by the Fall, nor is God capable of making anything evil.
StAugustine said:
The way to turn it BACK is not to change the Lyrics, but the style itself, along with the wholesale rejection of the context in which the change occurred.
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We, as Catholics, should be able to see the good wherever there is good, and we should help the good find its true purpose. Music, in it of itself, contains good, no matter the instrument, rhythm, melody, or singing style.

Israel’s purpose was to ultimately prepare the world for God to come into it. As the Deuteronomy passage, showed, this included a lot of stringent civil laws, including even setting a specific place for them to worship. We, as Christians, are now to live in Christ, and that includes recapturing the good and turning it towards His glory. There is a tremendous amount of good to be found even in a genre with as corrupt a culture as black metal. We should seek to take the good they uncovered and turn it to God, not profess what God has made to be sinful.
FloridaCatholic said:
The Catholic Church is already sadly down that road. I hear too many Catholics say yoga is demonic. I mean look at the thread on sr Cristina
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This is that thread.
 
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What concerns me is that the Priest in the video seems to make the assumption that Sister Christina is doing it to appear cool
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Yea, maybe she isn’t doing it to “appear” cool; maybe she just is cool.
 
Coming from an Italian household, the hand gesture is typically done upside down to insult the devil while warding off the evil eye.
 
Yes, that is the same explanation Dio gave of it when he began to use it. He got it from his grandma.

Dio was not a satanic guy, pretty much the opposite as his songs are about fighting evil, not doing evil.
 
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So why does he do it the wrong way? In Sicily, that means your spouse is cheating on you!
 
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He just wanted a gesture he could wave in the air. He was replacing Ozzy in Sabbath and didn’t want to copy Ozzy’s trademark gesture so he used the “horns”.

I now have dozens of friends who use that gesture and a lot of them aren’t even fans of metal, Dio or Sabbath. Many dont even know where the gesture came from or think it came from Beavis and Butthead. It’s just considered a “rock out” sign now.
 
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According to your definition that musics purpose is only for worship of God-most music on ‘earth’ would not fit that description including classical music.
Even Hillsong Christian music might not fit the definition because while the lyrics worship God,the music sound itself is usually pop ballad or rock etc.

Do you mean you don’t listen to any pop,or dance music or any modern music at all?
This seems quite fundamentalist and very limiting.
Would you mind if I asked how old you are and what your nationality is?

European Catholic people listen to folk (traditional) music,classical,pop,ballads,emotional music,dance music etc…same for Catholic Arabs still listen to Arabic music etc…most Catholics do not only listen to some Gregorian chant music (unless that’s what they genuinely like).

I believe that God gave us our genetics including our genes for sound tastes/music appreciation.
Gregorian chant does nothing for me personally.

I’ve never heard any priests in real life say people should not listen to certain sounds.
Even for Catholic World Youth day in Sydney a Guy Sebastian gospel ballad “Receive the Power” was used as the anthem.

Even the Muslims I know listen to everyday music and only the most rigid/fundamentalist ones don’t.
 
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Yoga is demonic. The various positions are related to various god-forms. All the gods of the nations are demons. Therefore to take on their external form is to open the door to their influence, because spiritual reality is OBJECTIVE.

If the intention is to simply, stretch, there is no sin in the practitioner, though there can still be real objective demonic effects.

Similar to a very simple girl who is seduced and conceives. She may not be guilty of the objective sin of fornication, but that won’t stop the baby.

Same thing with the innocent practice of Yoga and the demons with which it is associated.

There are real consequences to squatting on their turf, personal culpability totally aside.
 
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Ugh! This guy’s vanity is so disgusting. Even the way he introduces the prayer has an air of condescension in it. There’s nothing inappropriate in what Sister Cristina is doing. Pope Francis has spoken about the problem of ideologies in Catholicism. He said the issue is due to a lack of prayer.

I do think that people do tend to parrot prayers in Mass. It would make sense that prayer would be a solution. The core issue, though, is spiritual vanity.
 
No, beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, the aesthetic sense is in the eye of the beholder.

Now, God is worthy of the beautiful. The beautiful is that which is congruent with purity and symmetry. Those tones, rhythms and melodies which are suggestive of this beauty are fit to be set aside for the worship of God, while those tones rhythms and melodies which are primitively suggestive of evil and are based on the very NOTION of distortion, such as distortion and that which is suggestive of the mesmerizing and hypnotic is completely unfitted to the honor and dignity of the Godhead.

What has happened in morality mirrrors itself in art- “Wor to those who call good evil and evil good.” That is the status of modern art, modern music, and modern morals. They all spurn the requisite perfection of the past and have opted for a punk-rock sensibility in all things.

This is truly an inversion and unworthy of the honor of God.
 
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Dio was not a satanic guy, pretty much the opposite as his songs are about fighting evil, not doing evil.
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I actually saw an interview with him from shortly before his death. He said he was always fascinated by stories about dragons and wanted to convey those types of stories in his music. Of course, his storytelling style would go on to play a big part in the development of power metal, which is filled with tales of good vs. evil, often with good prevailing. (Well, Powerwolf and Alestorm are exceptions, but they’re doing it as a joke.)
 
If a man looks at a woman with lust in his eye, HE is sinning. A woman is not culpable for his sin unless she is intentionally trying to seduce him. If a man looks at her and finds what she’s doing so tempting, this is a man who has not cultivated the virtue of chastity in his heart remotely and is casting the blame for his sins on her because he wants to believe that the only component of sin is his will. He cannot face the fact that he is weak and that a part of sin is slavery to sin and that he needs grace to heal.
 
Actually mutual culpability is found in many circumstances. For example a man struggles with impurity who turns to a wife who spurns him. One of the purposes of marriage, as much as we want to forget it, is the extinguishing of lust. If she refuses to be available to help put the fire out, she SHARES his guilt, which is the teaching of St. John Chrysostom in his homilies on marriage.
 
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No, beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, the aesthetic sense is in the eye of the beholder.
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I never said beauty was in the eye of the beholder. I said that all music, done well, is beautiful, since it all flows from what God has given us. Whether or not someone enjoys it, whether or not someone is capable of seeing the beauty in it, or whether or not it is fitting for a specific context is another matter.

I certainly don’t try meditating while listening to metal. I prefer silence. I’m also not a fan of metal in Mass. I prefer hymns. At the same time, though, I’m not going to bore myself throughout the day with hymns. I’d rather appreciate the beauty found in a lot of rock and metal.
 
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