Slippery slope: Eastern Orthodoxy on contraception

[Benadam]

Where’d you hear that from? There are millions of starving children in places where the “environment” cannot support a human population and their parents do not use contraception.

You describe the human urge to reproduce that is not in harmony with nature. Enabling it to stay that way is wrong.

 

[on_the_hill]

on_the_hill:

Where’d you hear that from? There are millions of starving children in places where the “environment” cannot support a human population and their parents do not use contraception.

You describe the human urge to reproduce that is not in harmony with nature. Enabling it to stay that way is wrong.

Those people are unable to control their urges. That’s why they’re poor and starving.

 

[QwertyGirl]

Those people are unable to control their urges. That’s why they’re poor and starving.

And what urges do you fail at controlling? And do you think being poor and starving sa a result is acceptable or reasonable for your failure to control those urges?

 

[jeannetherese]

No it doesn’t. Results that make it comparable to birth control are extremely cherry-picked.

Young girls, clock-work cycles, so on.

Hi Vonsalza,
Have you studies to share which will show that these comparisions are cherry-picked? It would be helpful to examine the evidence for this assertion.
Thanks so much. May God bless all who visit this thread.
Amen.

 

[jeannetherese]

Source:
https://oca.org/questions/priesthoodmonasticism/divorce-and-ordination
“Concerning ordination, married men may be ordained to the diaconate and priesthood. However, they must be married only one time to a woman who also has been married only one time. If a man is a widower, he too may be ordained, provided that he has not remarried, and he may not marry after his ordination. The Tradition of the Orthodox Church is that both the priest as well as his wife must have been married only one time—to each other. And this would apply regardless of whether the person is no longer married due to divorce or to widowhood.”

 

[jeannetherese]

Also, the necessary equipment is costly

Hi billsannie,
Could you share the method you are considering in relation to this quote?
I’ve heard of thermometers, calendars, personally checking mucous, nothing that seems expensive. Even a bead sequence may be had drawn, and information is available at no cost on the internet which may be accessed from phones or the library.
The Billings method was developed by both female and male doctors, (noted your concern about the sex of the developers).
May God bless you.
jt

 

[jeannetherese]

The more honest web sites point out that in order for NFP to have results even close to artificial contraception, NFP absolutely must be carried out perfectly.

Proper use of any contraceptive method, from the condom to the pill to natural family planning is essential to its success rates.
Here is a scientific study result showing proper use of a mixed method NFP approach is comparable to the birth control pill (and, of course has the added positive result of being in accordance with natural law and also not risking the killing of newly created human life).

Natural Family Planning Method As Effective As Contraceptive Pill, New Research Finds | ScienceDaily

 

[jeannetherese]

That sounds a bit deterministic, but perhaps I am misreading?

 

[QwertyGirl]

Here is a scientific study result showing proper use of a mixed method NFP approach is comparable to the birth control pill (and, of course has the added positive result of being in accordance with natural law and also not risking the killing of newly created human life).

Using two or more methods of artificial birth control at one time is heads and shoulders above NFP in being effective. The pill and a condom, for example.

 

[on_the_hill]

It is a restatement of the reply to my reply. I inferred from the reply that the person was blaming starvation on the starving—they’re starving because the environment can’t support the large population. The population is too large because they are having too many babies. They’re having too many babies because they’re having too much sex. They’re having too much sex because of the availability of birth control.

But I doubt very much that women living in the slums of Calcutta have prescriptions for birth control pills.