So... blasphemy is now fashionable

[LilyM]

A lot of us do the same thing with other faiths y’know - have Asian artworks with different religious connotations attached, in our house, or Australian aboriginal or Native American artwork or artifacts which has spiritual significance that we neither know about nor would care about it we did.

 

[survive]

A lot of us do the same thing with other faiths y’know - have Asian artworks with different religious connotations attached, in our house, or Australian aboriginal or Native American artwork or artifacts which has spiritual significance that we neither know about nor would care about it we did.

Yep. In Diversity class in college a Native American man complained about White men with feathers on their person. he asked what they had done to earn the feathers they wore. So many wear eagle feathers, which are hard to earn. That’s what he said. I was irritated because there are customs of feather-wearing from more than one tradition. Oh well.

 

[snowbird]

I’m with Sillara. We both wear our Miraculous Medals that a colleague of mine got for us when she was doing her doctoral work on the still-living Mother Theresa. Theresa gave my colleague two Miraculous Medals, and my colleague then gave them to me and Sillara as presents for our coming home to the Church three years ago.

WOW!!! That would be a very special gift to keep!

 

[Sillara]

A lot of us do the same thing with other faiths y’know - have Asian artworks with different religious connotations attached, in our house, or Australian aboriginal or Native American artwork or artifacts which has spiritual significance that we neither know about nor would care about it we did.

Actually, I would care a great deal. I do not want to have things from other religions. I do not want to have things of “spiritual significance” in other religions. It might open up my home to influences best kept out.

 

[Numinous]

WOW!!! That would be a very special gift to keep!

Yeah, when Theresa becomes a Saint, the medals become relics. Or maybe they already are?

 

[monicatholic]

a Native American man complained about White men with feathers on their person.

the difficulty with native american symbolism is that it often uses objects directly out of nature. totems and stuff, yeah, i can understand the native american wanting to keep their spiritual importance attached to them.

but feathers? no one has a monopoly on feathers. zha zah gabor wore them all the time with no religious connotation at all.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

the difficulty with native american symbolism is that it often uses objects directly out of nature. totems and stuff, yeah, i can understand the native american wanting to keep their spiritual importance attached to them.

but feathers? no one has a monopoly on feathers. zha zah gabor wore them all the time with no religious connotation at all.

Having an eagle feather in your possession, (if you are not a Native American) even if you just found it while hiking, is a Federal offense and carries heavy penalties. This is not because it is sacred to certain tribes but because the eagle is endangered and making feather possession illegal slows down the hunting of eagles for profit.

 

[monicatholic]

Having an eagle feather in your possession, (if you are not a Native American) even if you just found it while hiking, is a Federal offense and carries heavy penalties.

marsha, i know this is true on the books. our county is home to several nesting pairs of bald eagles and kids find the feathers often enough out by the river. no penalties.

either way, it’s not central to the discussion, i think. my point was, it’s unrealistic to expect universally respectful demeanor toward another faith’s religious symbol when the symbol is a naturally occurring object.

 

[peary]

I was at work the other day when another health care professional noticed my crucifix, miraculous and St. Benedict medals. She was really impressed, said they were “cool” and asked where I got them. I told her the crucifix came from a jeweller and the medals came from the local church. Her reply “Oh, so that’s where people are getting them now, the church”.

She then explained to me while flicking through a magazine that she’d noticed people wearing medals with the cross and how its now “fashionable” and “everyone and their dog” is doing it. Well I can tell you I felt like throwing up. I knew about the rosary beads being worn as necklaces - but they’re usually made in some sweat shop and are never blest, but too imagine people actually acuqiring Catholic, blest medals from church and christain family members and wearing them for fashion… well, that just burned my potatoes!

She then pointed out “Well, I guess you wear them for beleif, right?”

Ah… yeah!

As a joke I pointed out that the Marifa often wore them - like on Sophranoes and she followed up with the comment “yeah, hahah, I guess they just go to that thing you catholics have, confession and the slate is clean”. I had to explain that to be truely sorry you have to take the civil punishment and turn yourself in else confession is negated!

But holy moly, people wearing blest medals as a fashion accessory? Unbeleivable. The way the secular world acts towards Catholics you’d think the last thign they’d want is to wear something that might ID them as such. Of course, like those like madonna who wears our jewellery to offend us, maybe blasphemy has become just another disgusting fashion trend.

God have mercy on them, each and every blasphemer!

Well, as Our Lady told little Jacinta: “Certain fashions will be worn that will offend Our Lord very very much.” I am sure this goes under that category.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

marsha, i know this is true on the books. our county is home to several nesting pairs of bald eagles and kids find the feathers often enough out by the river. no penalties.

either way, it’s not central to the discussion, i think. my point was, it’s unrealistic to expect universally respectful demeanor toward another faith’s religious symbol when the symbol is a naturally occurring object.

I had not realized that it was illegal until a few years back I came across an article about this woman who used feathers she found in her artwork. Someone notified the authorities and the artist was in serious trouble over it.

But as you say that is not central to the discussion. My original point (which I did not make clear, sorry) was this:

whether the individual you mentioned (who was offended by the disrespect shown to the feather as a symbol of his religion) could realistically expect respect be shown to it or not on religious grounds, he did have a realistic right to expect the feather to be respected based on federal law.

 

[MariaG]

Only a Satanist would wear an upside-down crucifix/cross…

I saw one with an “anti-rosary”, chains resembling the form of a rosary with a pentagramme for the centerpiece and an upside-down crucifix.

Now that’s blasphemous.

Not true. I believe it was Pope JPII who wore one recognizing as Peter did that he was unworthy to be crucified upright as Christ was. I think JP did it to remember to be humble.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Not true. I believe it was Pope JPII who wore one recognizing as Peter did that he was unworthy to be crucified upright as Christ was. I think JP did it to remember to be humble.

Can you provide a reference or photo of that?

 

[Marsha_Adams]

MarieG:

Nevermind, I did a search and found it myself. All the sites that came up in my search showed pictures, and they all called John Paul II the anti-christ Pope because of it.

On one occasion, when visiting Israel, there was an inverted cross carved in the back of John Paul II’s chair. The anti-catholic Protestants and the New Agers and the Satanists have been making hay with it eversince. Even the Vatican has classes attributing the sign of the inverted cross with Satanism. I can only hope that somebody lost their job for letting an inverted cross be carved on John Paul II’s chair.

Marsha

 

[Matariel]

Not true. I believe it was Pope JPII who wore one recognizing as Peter did that he was unworthy to be crucified upright as Christ was. I think JP did it to remember to be humble.

Not true. I do not remember Pope John Paul wearing a pentagramme/upside-down crucifix. His throne that he used during a ceremony in Israel had an inverted cross on it, but that can be used in a good way and an unholy way.

The inverted cross can be used in a good and bad way, but the upside-down crucifix is always blasphemous, especially when it is part of an “anti-rosary” with a pentagramme as a center, where the beads are supposed to connect and where there would be a medal of the Virgin Mary on real rosaries.