So disheartened. Feel like leaving Church.

[SemperFidelis]

Again, the “error” you spoke of has been classified under the sin of schism, not heresy. They reject a meaning of the Filioque we don’t subscribe to (ie, double procession as from two principles) and likewise they believe Mary was all Holy her entire life and free from all sin, but they think we divinize her on earth, whereas we acknowledge this happening in Heaven (where we all will experience theosis). It is the fires of Purgatory they object to, not the fact that man is in need of cleansing and perfecting after death.

The declaration of them as being heretical by popes around the time of the schism was a result of misunderstanding as we both ascribed meanings to terms that the other did not ascribe.

The Popes rightly declared things heretical that were heretical, but that doesn’t mean they were actually professed as such by a certain group. We see this with the Oriental Orthodox being called monophysite, when they actually do not profess the error of Eutychetes.

I know very well what the Orthodox believe, compared to Catholicicsm. I studied it very intently and almost went in that direction, but I do not believe that the various Pope’s declarations of the Orthodox being heretical, stems from a misunderstanding. That is a very naive point of view in my opinion. They reject things that we hold as dogma, and just because they were seperated when we defined them, does not mean that the Pope has no right to consider them as heretics. I was just quoting what various Popes have said.

 

[bear06]

Maybe I am wrong in the sense the he is a EM, but even in those “special cases”. 1600 families and not enough priest that is sad first of all, but that is not the point. Do you wear gloves? You can reiterate all you want about this exception or that or w/e. The church right now gives so many annulments where as before the church would have maybe 2 or 3 annulments per year if you had a “busy year”. Now it is HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS thousands worldwide. I guess King Henry VIII in our times would be one of our special “exemptions” and it is kind of sad that a whole country went schismatic, heretical in order to defend the sanctity of one of the sacraments. How there were early martyrs in the Church that would die so that no one would ever sacrilege the Holy Eucharist just to touch it w/o consecrated hands to the point of death to defend the sanctity of the sacrament of the Eucharist. You can give all the excuses you want the only valid ones in my eyes are the SUPER SUPER EXRAORDINARY beyond belief and nature type of exception for giving out communion. Blah blah blah excuses are like door knobs everybody has them. If it takes 10 to 15 more minutes in the mass so be it and just offer more masses so that not all the families are in the same one, you can spent all that extra time in more prayer and thanksgiving to God. Not only that if you put the kneelers it is faster to give communion like that. Rather then in a straight line where you have to wait for one person to take it then the next. If you put kneelers and have more masses then the distribution of communion is quicker. But who cares right if we have to do something extra to defend the sacred.

Just cough up an apology to SeanTom. I gave no excuses. I gave the Church’s teaching on the matter. You were the one who told someone they were going to be committing a mortal sin for distributing Communion without know a single thing about their parish.

 

[Jo_Benedict]

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