So much fuss about a non-baptism

[malphono]

the good news is a priest from a neighboring parish has agreed to perform the rite (just got the call from my wife a few minutes ago)

now, i just have to talk to him to make sure he knows we’re ommitting parts of the rite

good thing i started being a PREP teacher last year and have been active in these forums. at least i know a lot about these things

thanks to everyone for their help and support!

but i still need that beer!

All’s well that ends well.

Just make sure the priest has a look at the baptismal records himself. That will tell him what he needs to know.

And … have a 2nd beer for me.

 

[choy]

at the end of this, i think i’ll have enough beers for everyone

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Apparently I should have kept my mouth shut: as an Oriental I always look at something like this with an eye to economia which doesn’t at all work in the legalistic West. What would be the economia in this case concerns the people who have traveled (some, it seems, great distances) and giving them a “party” just isn’t quite the same. But it’s not my family and it’s not my concern, so yes, I should have kept mum.

I, as a Byzantine Catholic, do not see this as an issue of economia. Nothing is stopping them from having a party at home to acknowledge the baptism. Nothing is stopping them from attending Liturgy together. When we start to mess around with the Sacraments with the view of what makes it right for me, then I have a problem. Have a prayer service, have a priest lead it, but since there is no baptism you do not need a priest (or a deacon in the west) as there is no Sacrament to be celebrated. You can do all the prayers on your own and make up your own rite.

 

[Phemie]

You are 100% correct. The priest would do everything but the blessing of water and baptism.
Otherwise, drink a toast to the hospital chaplain!

Wouldn’t he also omit the anointing with chrism since that is omitted when a baby is being confirmed immediately after baptism as was done in this child’s case?

 

[jmcrae]

don’t worry, i’m not considering conditional baptism in any way

lol, the beer was for me. i’m just getting too stressed over this

the baptism done in the hospital is just the basic baptism. water and the Trinitarian Formula performed by a priest (i was aware that i could have done it given it was an emergency situation and i would have done so had the priest not arrived before the surgery)

the visiting priest already told me plainly that he is not familiar with the Latin Rite of Baptism although he has performed many Chaldean Rite Baptisms

Your son just needs the candle, the anointing with oil, and the white garment, right? I am guessing that the Chaldean rite of Baptism has similar elements - it shouldn’t be too much for the priest, I don’t think?

 

[choy]

Your son just needs the candle, the anointing with oil, and the white garment, right? I am guessing that the Chaldean rite of Baptism has similar elements - it shouldn’t be too much for the priest, I don’t think?

oh, we’re not doing the Chaldean Rite

my initial problem was our substitute priest was Chaldean and unfamiliar with the Latin Rite of Baptism (he probably knows about it but haven’t done any baptism that way)

as of my last update, we’ve found another Priest who would do it who’s a Latin Rite priest

 

[agapewolf]

My friend did the same thing for his son. Did the rites and everything weeks after the baptism in the hospital.

I was baptized while in the custody of Catholic charities. When my parents adopted me, they did the extra rites so I can have Godparents, etc.

 

[jmcrae]

oh, we’re not doing the Chaldean Rite

my initial problem was our substitute priest was Chaldean and unfamiliar with the Latin Rite of Baptism (he probably knows about it but haven’t done any baptism that way)

as of my last update, we’ve found another Priest who would do it who’s a Latin Rite priest

My fault for not reading ahead. Thanks be to God, you have found a priest.

 

[puzzleannie]

Apparently I should have kept my mouth shut: as an Oriental I always look at something like this with an eye to economia which doesn’t at all work in the legalistic West. .

you have canon law also, and the rule is the same, baptism may not be repeated, and conditional baptism may be done only when there is no way to establish the fact of the original baptism. this has nothing to do with legalism or east or west and everything to do with “There is one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism”

The priest at OP’s parish can do this, they must have the ritual books in the sacristy he simply has to supply the parts of the rite that were not done initially. the deacon can also do this

the party the family decides to have afterward is irrelevant

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I spoke with a priest in my community. I asked him what he would do in a situation such as this.

He suggested a Mass with prayers developed from the Rite of Baptism. What he said he would not do is take the Rite of Baptism and modify it. He would just use it as a form and he might take prayers from it but it would not be the rite minus the actual baptism.

A question for the original poster. You said your son was also confirmed. Are you 100% sure? I know it can be done in cases of emergency (which this was) but you are aware that there is an annointing of oil in a baptism so just becuase there was an annointing does not mean a confirmation. But that really has nothing to do with this except if he was confirmed then make sure that this is documented, along with the baptism, at your parish as confirmation is like baptism and can not, and should not, be repeated.

 

[Phemie]

I spoke with a priest in my community. I asked him what he would do in a situation such as this.

He suggested a Mass with prayers developed from the Rite of Baptism. What he said he would not do is take the Rite of Baptism and modify it. He would just use it as a form and he might take prayers from it but it would not be the rite minus the actual baptism.

A question for the original poster. You said your son was also confirmed. Are you 100% sure? I know it can be done in cases of emergency (which this was) but you are aware that there is an annointing of oil in a baptism so just becuase there was an annointing does not mean a confirmation. But that really has nothing to do with this except if he was confirmed then make sure that this is documented, along with the baptism, at your parish as confirmation is like baptism and can not, and should not, be repeated.

In the Canadian “Rite of Baptism for Children” I find:

**“If there is time and he has the sacred chrism, the parish priest (pastor) or other priest enjoying the same faculty should not fail to confer confirmation after baptism. In this case he omits the post-baptismal anointing with chrism.”
**
Wouldn’t that apply everywhere?

 

[malphono]

you have canon law also, and the rule is the same, baptism may not be repeated, and conditional baptism may be done only when there is no way to establish the fact of the original baptism. this has nothing to do with legalism

The priest at OP’s parish can do this, they must have the ritual books in the sacristy he simply has to supply the parts of the rite that were not done initially. the deacon can also do this

the party the family decides to have afterward is irrelevant

Yes, I know all about “one baptism” and canon law and liturgy (and I know them better than one might think but that’s as much as I’ll say in this forum) and I said as much.

In any case, as I said earlier, I should have kept my mouth shut in the first place. The whole situation in the OP is neither my problem nor my concern. I’ll know better than to supply a comment on such things in the future.

 

[choy]

I spoke with a priest in my community. I asked him what he would do in a situation such as this.

He suggested a Mass with prayers developed from the Rite of Baptism. What he said he would not do is take the Rite of Baptism and modify it. He would just use it as a form and he might take prayers from it but it would not be the rite minus the actual baptism.

A question for the original poster. You said your son was also confirmed. Are you 100% sure? I know it can be done in cases of emergency (which this was) but you are aware that there is an annointing of oil in a baptism so just becuase there was an annointing does not mean a confirmation. But that really has nothing to do with this except if he was confirmed then make sure that this is documented, along with the baptism, at your parish as confirmation is like baptism and can not, and should not, be repeated.

i am 100% sure because it says so in his baptismal certificate, as an annotation, that he was also confirmed

and being a Catechist, i’m pretty sure of whats going on when the priest says, “i seal you in the Holy Spirit”

plus the priest told us so. he showed us the container (don’t know what its called) where the 3 oils he has were. one was for confirmation, one was for anointing of the sick, i forgot what the third one was for.

 

[Phemie]

i am 100% sure because it says so in his baptismal certificate, as an annotation, that he was also confirmed

and being a Catechist, i’m pretty sure of whats going on when the priest says, “i seal you in the Holy Spirit”

plus the priest told us so. he showed us the container (don’t know what its called) where the 3 oils he has were. one was for confirmation, one was for anointing of the sick, i forgot what the third one was for.

The third oil is the Oil of Cathechumens. This is the oil used for the first anointing at baptism (optional for the baptism of infants but in our parish it’s always done).