So what is Catholic Tradition?

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Yes, of course. All the creeds emerge from Tradition. The reformers rejected all or part of the Creeds that came down through Aposotolic Tradition,and formulated their own statements of belief, all of them using Catholicism as a starting point, then defining for themselves how they are different. Some protesant communities require members to sign or publicly affirm the statement of belief (creed) in order to become a member.
Most reform traditions not only say the creeds but accept the teachings (except for that sticky “catholic church” part).

You are correct: many congregations require people to affirm the points of their “creed.” As far as I have seen, those who require this tend to start out with some variation of the Westminster Confession.
 
Since Jesus taught His apostles “everything” and sent the Holy Spirit to teach them “all things”, then He said salvation comes from believing the Gospel that they taught and preached. (mark 16:16) “He who believes and is baptized will be saved.”
If Jesus said salvation comes through believing this Gospel, then it is mandatory that we learn this Gospel.
But, this Gospel is not written anywhere in the bible. There is not a single book of the bible, not a single chapter that claims to be a summary of this Gospel that the apostles taught and preached.
The four Gospels only claim to be a narrative of the life of Jesus. They do not claim to be summaries of the Gospel the apostles taught and preached. Yet, this Gospel is so much, that Jesus had to send the apostles the Holy Spirit, to remind them of all that He taught them. Therefore we cannot reduce this Gospel to a few verses.
Since this Gospel was not written in scripture, or any other place, how do we know the content of this Gospel?

Easy.
Even an athiest can learn it. Just learn the doctrines the early Christians said they learned from the apostles or apostolic churches.
If we study these doctrines, we learn they are the same ones the Church teaches today. In other words, the Gospel the early Christians learned from the apostles, the Gospel that Jesus says belief in will bring salvation, the Gospel the apostles taught and preached is simply the whole Catholic faith, centered on the Good News that Jesus came to liberate us from everything that oppresses us. Thus, if a person wanted to follow Jesus, when the apostles taught His Gospel, they simply expounded on the doctrines of the Creed, the sacraments, the commandments and prayer. Catechisms present the Church’s teachings in the form of the creed, sacraments, commandments and prayer, because that is the form the apostles used.
In other words, catechisms present the Living Gospel, the same Gospel the early Christians learned from the apostles.
Thus, Catholic Tradition is simply** the Gospel the apostles learned from Jesus,** (NOT FROM SCRIPTURE) and handed down as the Catholic faith.
 
??? I just don’t understand this; Christ quoted scripture constantly, and you seem to undermine the importants of it.
No, I don’t.
You tend to think I undermine the importance of it, because non-Catholics think that God intended us to learn His teachings from scripture. This is not true. God intended us to learn His Gospel through the Gospel that the Church taught and preached. No where did Jesus say salvation comes from reading or studying scripture. Jesus did say salvation comes from believing the Gospel His Church taught and preached. (Mark 16:16)
Now, that said, the Church teaches scripture, Tradition (the Gospel the apostles handed down) and those who have authority to teach are all equally important.
Scripture is important, first to give us salvation history.
A detailed account of salvation history could not be handed down in Tradition.
Scripture is important to give us the life of Jesus, since we are supposed to learn who He is, not only by teachings handed down in Tradition, but also by His example. Thus, the Church teaches, “not to know scripture is not to know Christ”
The Church teaches that scripture is important as a witness to the teachings handed down and to nourish and illuminate those teaching. For example, the Church teaches that Jesus is God, because that is the doctrine the apostles learned from Jesus and the Holy Spirit and that is the doctrine they handed down to their successors, the Pope and the bishops of the Catholic Church. But, then when that doctrine is taught, the teacher is supposed to use scripture as a witness to this teaching and to illuminate and nourish that teaching. Thus, the teacher should quote those verses of scripture that refer to the teaching that Jesus is God. This way the student can learn the teaching better and it will stick in his memory better. This is how all Catholics should teach the Gospel. That is how Jesus used scripture. Jesus did not learn from scripture, because He already knew everything. But He quoted from scripture to help His listeners understand His teachings better.
Catholic teachers are supposed to do the same. Pope Piux X has an encyclical “On Christian Doctrine” which explains this method. Unfortunately it is not usually done correctly. The Church teachings about Mary are difficult to understand. But, if the teachers would use scripture to show how Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant, and use other examples of typology, they would greatly help the listeners understand the teachings the apostles handed down. Unfortunately, this is seldom done.
Thus, the Church does NOT use scripture as the original source of the teachings of the Gospel, because Jesus taught the apostles “everything” and thus the apostles could not have learned anything new from scripture. The Church quotes scripture, NOT as evidence of doctrines she has learned from scripture, because the Church already knew the Gospel before a word of the NT was written, but to help us understand the doctrines better, and as a witness to the teachings of the Gospel. That is why the Catechism often presents a teaching by quoting scripture. The Church did not learn the Gospel teaching from scripture, but scripture will help us understand it better.
Since Jesus taught the whole and complete Gospel to the apostles, and intended everyone to be saved through listening to this Gospel, then there is no reason why all doctrines should be in scripture. And they aren’t. While the four written Gospels give the life and some teachings of Jesus, there is no reason why these teachings should be clear and explicit. For Jesus intended us to learn His Gospel through the Church and not through scripture. That is why what is written is never perfectly clear and explicit to those who don’t know the Gospel.
For example, the teachings on the Eucharist in scripture are not clear to those who don’t know the Gospel teachings handed down.
But, to Catholics who know the teachings, then the scriptures about the Eucharist make sense, and they help us understand the Church teachings better.
 
This came up on another thread and it seems to be a good question,
You ask, What is the Sacred Tradition proclaimed by the Catholic Church?

Tradition teaches the correct interpretation of Scripture, but it goes deeper than that. It is probably best illustrated by example.

Here are a couple of examples:
Ignatius said:
youtube.com/watch?v=W2s2kdiNZlY

God of Glory and Majesty,
pour out your Spirit upon us
like a rushing wind and a flaming fire.
Give us strength to do your will
and the peace that surpasses all understanding.
We ask this trhrough Jesus Christ Our Lord.
~Amen
Here’s another example.
youtube.com/watch?v=hl-08atFqzc

May the grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ descend upon you and remain with you always.

Your Servant in Christ.
 
like who?
Eastern Orthodox
Methodist (some)
Christian Church
Church of Christ
non-denominational
I’m sure there are others.

A good friend of mine converted to Catholicism a couple of years ago, and her daughter was baptized by full-immersion in the Catholic church. My own son was kneeling in the water and got fully soaked at Easter when a full pitcher of water was poured three times on his head, when he was baptized in the Catholic Church. When you view baptism as the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the believer, the symbolism seen in the water being poured takes one’s breath away.
 
Making the sign of the cross as Catholics do and saying “In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” is a tradition handed down to us. As I recall reading somewhere, the early Christians made a small cross on their forehead, so as not to be marked as followers of Jesus to avoid being arrested during the time of persecutions. When the persecutions ceased, the sign became larger as we still do today.

It may be in the Didache. Can someone help with this?

Mimi
 
Eastern Orthodox
Methodist (some)
Christian Church
Church of Christ
non-denominational
I’m sure there are others.

A good friend of mine converted to Catholicism a couple of years ago, and her daughter was baptized by full-immersion in the Catholic church. My own son was kneeling in the water and got fully soaked at Easter when a full pitcher of water was poured three times on his head, when he was baptized in the Catholic Church. When you view baptism as the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the believer, the symbolism seen in the water being poured takes one’s breath away.
I think JTBT’s tradition defines full immersion as actual full-body dunking, submersion under the water. Standing in a tank and getting soaked by pouring would not meet the requirements of her tradition.
 
I think JTBT’s tradition defines full immersion as actual full-body dunking, submersion under the water. Standing in a tank and getting soaked by pouring would not meet the requirements of her tradition.
I know it wouldn’t, I was just helping dispel the myth that Catholics merely sprinkle water on people for baptisms, which is a common untruth told in Baptist circles.
 
I know it wouldn’t, I was just helping dispel the myth that Catholics merely sprinkle water on people for baptisms, which is a common untruth told in Baptist circles.
“Sprinkle”? They think we “sprinkle”?

I have seen a Methodist baptism in which a rose was dipped in the water and pressed to the infant’s head (?). But Catholic baptism specifically requires AT LEAST pouring. Ya gotta get wet.
 
I think JTBT’s tradition defines full immersion as actual full-body dunking, submersion under the water. Standing in a tank and getting soaked by pouring would not meet the requirements of her tradition.
That is right
 
That is right
And if I am not mistaken, you “dip” three times, once at the Name of each Person of the Holy Trinity?

One thing that puzzles non-Baptists, or at least those Christian traditions that believe in baptismal regeneration, is that you insist on the form of full immersion for “validity” yet you do not believe baptism has any effect at all.
 
And if I am not mistaken, you “dip” three times, once at the Name of each Person of the Holy Trinity?
Most Baptist churches that I’m aware of only “dunk” once. The Orthodox do it three times.
One thing that puzzles non-Baptists, or at least those Christian traditions that believe in baptismal regeneration, is that you insist on the form of full immersion for “validity” yet you do not believe baptism has any effect at all.
I asked that very question in this thread. Never did get a satisfactory answer.
 
If I might add, in the Ambrosian Rite (named after St. Ambrose of Milan), a Catholic Liturgical Rite practiced in Milan, Italy and surrounding areas (and thus distinct from the Roman Rite, which was originally the Rite of the Church in the City of Rome), Baptism is still administered by triple immersion (triple immersion of the head for infants).

The Mozarabic Rite, once the dominant liturgical Rite in the Iberian Peninsula but now only chiefly practiced in the city of Toledo, Spain also administered Baptism by immersion.

The Baptismal formula in that Rite is: “And I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, that you may have eternal life. R: Amen.”
 
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