So you think Catholisim is wrong?

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batman1973 said:
Are you sure you’re the 1 true church? Because the Mormons would disagree with you they say they are the 1 true church. And they make the same apostolic claims you do, they also claim that Jesus Christ started their church so who’s right you, or them?
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They are a cult they have only been around 200 years, the Catholic church has been around for 2000, who would you believe in?. Why do they believe in Jesus Christ he came out of our Bible? I had a ex Mormon fifth generation that converted to Protestantism and then Catholic come to our Church and they believe they are going to different planets to become Gods. They do not believe Jesus Started the Church. Some guy claimed he talked to God, no proof. Look up the history. I can’t remember everything. They are wacky if you find out what they believed you would know why they are a cult.

If your not Catholic, then you don’t have to believe it, your free to choose Mormons, but if your Catholic, then read what we believe and ask The moderators what they would say and learn something from them. We are supposed to be learning our faith, not steering people away from it on this site.
GB
 
ExCatholicGuy said:
I would ask the same question about Mormonism and Islam and Hinduism and all the other faiths. I think they’re a manifestation of people seeking authoritative answers, believing - or wanting to believe - that someone else has already figured out what’s true.
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Are you here to learn or to try and steer people away from the Catholic faith? One thing is to ask questions of what you do not understand, but you seem to want to denounce the Catholic faith, by saying your an ex Catholic, you don’t seem interested in learning but putting down. 😦
Just my observations.
 
From an Orthodox perspective, Roman Catholicism, while it has retained much of the Apostolic Faith, has erred in adding some things since the East-west schism, specifically (the two most important):
  1. The teaching that the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds from both the Father and the Son equally, and as from one principle, as opposed to Orthodoxy, which teaches the Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father and is sent by the Father and the Son. This contradicts Christ’s own teaching that the Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father, obscures the important patristic teaching of the Monarchy of the Father within the Trinity, and essential divides the Trinity between Father-Son on one side, and Holy Spirit on the other.
  2. The teaching that the Bishop of Rome is a monarch of the Church, instead of a first among equals, with the power to unilaterally bind the Church dogmatically and to exercise immediate supreme jurisidiction over every bishop, priest, religious, and parish of the Church.
 
guanophore said:
I am curious, Ex. To what do you attribute the existence of the Church, and all the Christian denominations? Is this some sort of mass hallucination?

Have these billions of human beings for the last 2000 years simply deluded themselves? Is Freud correct that it is a manifestation of a human complex?
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Birdpreacher said:
Its not that Catholicism is wrong its just impossible to prove that its right.

http://bittersweetend.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/circular_reasoning.gif

PS: Feel free to replace the word Bible in the flowchart with …] Book of Mormon etc. We are all in the same boat when it comes to lacking proof.
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Not quite. We can know God exists (and subsequently the truth of the Bible and Book of Mormon) through prayer, and the answer God will surely give through a testimony. I don’t have to rely on witnesses from 2000 years ago, I can pray about the risen Lord and know that he is indeed risen, and that there exist special witnesses of this risen Lord to this very day through prophecy.
 
Birdpreacher said:
Its not that Catholicism is wrong its just impossible to prove that its right.

http://bittersweetend.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/circular_reasoning.gif

As Catholics we are called to take on the Bible through faith. Faith means throwing reason aside and believing in something we can never prove with absolute certainty. Thats the situation God has chosen to place us in. He wants us to believe he exists, not know he exists.

PS: Feel free to replace the word Bible in the flowchart with Koran, Talmud, Book of Mormon etc. We are all in the same boat when it comes to lacking proof.
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Jesus was the only man that claimed he was God, none of the other religions claimed this and we also have historic facts that Jesus lived and died and rose again. Nobody in any religion ever disputed Jesus Christ existed. Oh yes he died for us as well. Any other religions claim this? He had witnesses. It wasn’t just made up. People had tradition before the Bible was put together by the Catholic Church. Our Bible. What about all the miracles thousands of people witnessed? Jesus did miracles right in front of people and the same people wanted him crucified. Some people don’t want to believe it, it’s because of there own pride or total ignorance. But most don’t want to believe it. Because the Catholic Church is the only one that is teachings the truth on Faith and Morals and most church, religions, sects , cults, whatever are following the world. I wish people would just learn what the church teaches instead of making up there own interpretations. Our faith is explained in our Catechism. Maybe this site should be called Apologetics, because we seem to have a lot of non believers pushing their views of heresy and we’re trying to defend it, instead of Catholics learning their faith. Maybe I am wrong, but I am not sure this was the purpose of this site. Just my thoughts
GB
 
El_Confundido said:
Not quite. We can know God exists (and subsequently the truth of the Bible and Book of Mormon) through prayer, and the answer God will surely give through a testimony. I don’t have to rely on witnesses from 2000 years ago, I can pray about the risen Lord and know that he is indeed risen, and that there exist special witnesses of this risen Lord to this very day through prophecy.
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I prayed to God to see if the Book of Mormon is true and didn’t get an answer, but when I prayed about the Koran God told me it was true… but wait a minute… how can they both be right?
 
truthseeker32 said:
I prayed to God to see if the Book of Mormon is true and didn’t get an answer, but when I prayed about the Koran God told me it was true… but wait a minute… we can’t both be right!
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You mock the Spirit and wonder why you didn’t get an appropriate answer? :rolleyes:
 
El_Confundido said:
You mock the Spirit and wonder why you didn’t get an appropriate answer? :rolleyes:
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I don’t mock the Spirit. My example was to demonstrate that Mormons have no way to demonstrate the truth of their beliefs or the falsity of the beliefs of others. What if I really have received a testimony of the Koran? If our only basis is personal revelation then neither of us can claim to be more correct than the other.

P.S. I was an active, temple worthy Mormon for 23 years who read the Book of Mormon and prayed about it numerous times. Never received a real testimony. You can think this is because I didn’t do it right, didn’t pray hard enough, etc., but I wanted nothing more than to believe. My leaving the faith was a painful experience for many reasons.

Check out this link to see the problems with relying solely on a supposed personal witness:

mormonthink.com/testimonyweb.htm
 
El_Confundido said:
Not quite. We can know God exists (and subsequently the truth of the Bible and Book of Mormon) through prayer, and the answer God will surely give through a testimony. I don’t have to rely on witnesses from 2000 years ago, I can pray about the risen Lord and know that he is indeed risen, and that there exist special witnesses of this risen Lord to this very day through prophecy.
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The only reason you know about the risen Lord is because of the witnesses…
 
lax16 said:
How?
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I prayed to Heavenly Father concerning the validity of the Book of Mormon. The Spirit confirmed its truthfulness. By necessity that means the contents of the Book of Mormon (including the account of the Resurrection), and those vital for the translation and preservation of it (the Apostles) are the sources of my knowledge.
 
El_Confundido said:
I prayed to Heavenly Father concerning the validity of the Book of Mormon. The Spirit confirmed its truthfulness. By necessity that means the contents of the Book of Mormon (including the account of the Resurrection), and those vital for the translation and preservation of it (the Apostles) are the sources of my knowledge.
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Okay, but how? Did Jesus come to you? An angel of the Lord? Dont tell me your bosom burned and thats how you know.
 
El_Confundido said:
I prayed to Heavenly Father concerning the validity of the Book of Mormon. The Spirit confirmed its truthfulness. By necessity that means the contents of the Book of Mormon (including the account of the Resurrection), and those vital for the translation and preservation of it (the Apostles) are the sources of my knowledge.
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I didnt pray for anything. I disliked God and wanted nothing to do with Him but He blessed me by His presence and so did Our Saviour. Jesus actually told me to “Protect His Church”
 
kimg901 said:
Okay, but how? Did Jesus come to you? An angel of the Lord? Dont tell me your bosom burned and thats how you know.
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Exactly by the burning in my bosom! It’s the same magnificent, awesome feeling I become overwhelmed by in the Temple. It’s the same feeling I lack every time I visit Catholic Mass.

There are other means by which the Lord testifies to me and all worthy inquirers, but I will not cast my pearls before swine here given CAF’s penchant for insulting the faith of others.
 
El_Confundido said:
Exactly by the burning in my bosom! It’s the same magnificent, awesome feeling I become overwhelmed by in the Temple. It’s the same feeling I lack every time I visit Catholic Mass.
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I felt nothing in the temple. I feel the Spirit strongly in Catholic Mass. According to your logic Catholicism is true and the LDS faith is false. If I am wrong you are going to have to find a different way to demonstrate my error outside of arbitrary feelings.
 
I think my “gotcha” moment was when I learned that if it wasn’t for The Catholic Church, I wouldn’t have my Bible. Now at the time, it was missing several books, but it was still because of that church that I had one.
I read a quote, I think it was by St. Elizabeth Ann Seton that said and I’m paraphrasing, “If faith is so important to our salvation, I will seek it where the true faith began, seek it among those who recieved it from God.” That definitely isn’t the whole thing, but it is close.
 
Sorry folks.
I really can’t see this thread going in any direction but down.
It’s also a magnet for trolls.
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